George Orwells 1984

[Python]

Originally Posted by al45lc

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No, it's not tin hat for the Euro's and Aussies, but none of them ever really had a Constitution as we do. And THAT really is why I'm not "tin hat" scared or concerned.

Yes sir, we've got a Constitution, no reason to be scared or concerned. Lets see, "shall not be infringed". No sir, we weren't "tin hat" scared or concerned those 25,000 or more times that it was "infringed" upon. We're not the Euro's or Aussies, we're too smart, and vigilant. Like "everything else", it could never happen here, we have a Constitution.

[45nut]

You know Orwell was a progressive?

From Wiki His work is marked by keen intelligence and wit, a profound awareness of social injustice, an intense opposition to totalitarianism, a passion for clarity in language and a belief in democratic socialism.

So how can you be for social justice and democratic socialism yet be against totalitarianism?

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by Python

Yes sir, we've got a Constitution, no reason to be scared or concerned. Lets see, "shall not be infringed". No sir, we weren't "tin hat" scared or concerned those 25,000 or more times that it was "infringed" upon. We're not the Euro's or Aussies, we're too smart, and vigilant. Like "everything else", it could never happen here, we have a Constitution.

No need for sarcasm, but in light of it how do you explain the points I made of obvious conservatism in just the last few years?
And it was that vigilance that in many cases thwarted the attempts at infringement.
The Orwellian scenario is just as I said, WAY overboard.(Did some of you actually read it?) My point should be clear, that comparison isn't analagous in a society where I can STILL buy a gun and come and go as I please.
They did no such things in Orwells world. Are you compelled to go to "meetings" for indoctrination as they were? Does someone make you excercise and watch you do it? Are you rationed in any way? Do you still have money? I could go on and on, it's no where near to Orwells world.
I would point out to all that this has been going on since even before Clinton, and yet we have more right to carry states now than ever before. That alone is indicitive that we aren't moving in that direction.
No Socialist or Fascist movement can exist or grow in a country of armed citizens, and more are armed now than ever before.
Sure they're still trying, and they always will. But this last decade has seen their once dominant media mantra being torn away as more Americans trust the dominant mass media less and less and educate themselves to the truth.
I'm more optimistic, and frankly, I see no evidence for the extreme pessimism
so often displayed here.
But the O.P. asked for our opinions, and I would be the first to stand and defend your right to voice yours as your still free to do. And that's another reason for my optimism.

[Haligan]

I didn't see this version posted in this thread but here it is on google video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25623984168940

Very sad to see the similarities, but an even bigger problem not even George Orwell could have envisioned our technology. I can only prey that those who serve the system, please wake up before it's too late.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by Haligan

I didn't see this version posted in this thread but here it is on google video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25623984168940

Very sad to see the similarities, but an even bigger problem not even George Orwell could have envisioned our technology. I can only prey that those who serve the system, please wake up before it's too late.

I posted a similar link earlier to the same video.

al45lc, do you not see the path that's been laid before us? Our rights have been slowly eroding over the years, and Orwell has it right on the money.

Do we have more firearms today? Yes. Why do you suppose that is?

40 years ago, I could ride my bike down the street with a .22 strapped to the handlebars. No WAY is that gonna happen today.

5 years ago, we didn't have the TSA frisking every man, woman, and child at our airports.

5 weeks ago, we didn't have the fed 'testing' their control of 'broadcast tv and radio'.

Today we have 'net neutrality' that can (and will) track our internet veiwing. Now it's in the feds control.

The 1st amendment is 1st for a reason. Due to PC, that has been taken away from us.

The 2nd is a response to the 1st. The 1st is GONE. It's been over ruled by the fed.
The 2nd will go by the way of the 1st.

The schools have been indictrinating our children for years. The OWS movement is a testament to that. 30 years ago, I saw bumper stickers to 'Get us Out of the UN Now'. At the time, I thought it was a hippy thing. Today, that message is more relevant than ever.

I don't have a tin hat, but I can see the writing on the wall.

NONE of us will survive if we have no means of honest communication.
The fed is testing that, and you can't deny it.

Papers please? AKA TSA.

Is Orwells vision happenig over night? No. That's not gonna happen.

Yet it is coming to fruition. Slowly, like a boiling frog.


How many freedoms are ya willing to give up in order to 'think' you can keep yer guns?

[jack404]

How many freedoms are ya willing to give up in order to 'think' you can keep yer guns?

From a nation that signed the full UN Charter .. they tell us what laws to put in and we do it

GET OUT OF THE BLOODY UN!! when they get ya guns it's too late, with paper they made 400,000 people default criminals with 14 days to hand over the things making them a criminal or it stuck , then they came round at 3 am and got you out of bed and took you off to gaol , folks who resisted where shot . mates of mine included .. and made it so tough to have a permit 250,000 other folks gave in and just handed em over ..

150,000 folks charged since , 100 or so illegal gun people , the rest law abiding folks scammed by the inspections that come with gun ownership ( warrentless searches renamed)

thats how the UN plays

they call it a gun by back

they never mention the "OR ELSE" but there's lots of em

and many are aimed at your family , kid's and their future not the gun owner

ask Professor Julius Sumner miller who moved to Australia in the 60's ( professor wonders or wonderful on Disney before coming here to teach) ( sadly you cant he passed away .. nice bloke , great teacher eh .. i had him 2 semesters)

they locked him up when he did not surrender his pistol . then they threatened to lock up his sick wife and daughter who's just had a baby and her hubby , he gave in ..

what would you do ?? seriously ? 10 years in a Australian gaol for your daughter ?

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by jack404

From a nation that signed the full UN Charter .. they tell us what laws to put in and we do it

GET OUT OF THE BLOODY UN!! when they get ya guns it's too late, with paper they made 400,000 people default criminals with 14 days to hand over the things making them a criminal or it stuck , then they came round at 3 am and got you out of bed and took you off to gaol , folks who resisted where shot . mates of mine included .. and made it so tough to have a permit 250,000 other folks gave in and just handed em over ..

150,000 folks charged since , 100 or so illegal gun people , the rest law abiding folks scammed by the inspections that come with gun ownership ( warrentless searches renamed)

thats how the UN plays

they call it a gun by back

they never mention the "OR ELSE" but there's lots of em

and many are aimed at your family , kid's and their future not the gun owner

ask Professor Julius Sumner miller who moved to Australia in the 60's ( professor wonders or wonderful on Disney before coming here to teach) ( sadly you cant he passed away .. nice bloke , great teacher eh .. i had him 2 semesters)

they locked him up when he did not surrender his pistol . then they threatened to lock up his sick wife and daughter who's just had a baby and her hubby , he gave in ..

what would you do ?? seriously ? 10 years in a Australian gaol for your daughter ?

And the US is buying into it.

[Python]

1984 is the work of a man's imagination, it's entertaining, but that's all it is. The Orwellian scenario is a far fetch from reality, compared to whats really on the near horizon, it's like a girl scout picnic in the park. In the near future of the "real world" you'll definitely want to hold on to your gun, not to use on any bad guys, to use on yourself.

[jack404]

orwell put into a story his fear for the future to watch out for things like he wrote about

the warning has been obscured but its just as simple as when he wrote it , keep it simple , and watch out ..

as Big brother is here and he plans to stay

[Python]

Originally Posted by jack404

From a nation that signed the full UN Charter .. they tell us what laws to put in and we do it
GET OUT OF THE BLOODY UN!!

The U.N. AGENDA is the NWO, the U.S. AGENDA is the NWO, we're in it for the long haul..