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cycloneman · 11-30-2011, 07:28 PM

Darn I missed all the fun.

Can you imagine how screwed up this kid is gona be?

cpttango30 · 11-30-2011, 07:50 PM

WOW

I don't think the government should make any law towards marriage any way. Marriage is a religious ceremony and a part of the church (What ever church that is). So there for government has no business what so ever making any law for or against it.

I am of the live and let live perspective. Gay people are gay people. I am a smart guy but, I don't know enough about the human brain to know ig being gay is a choice or if they are born that way. No one does really not even the best brain surgeon in the world.

You want to marry a person of the same sex or a goat or a monkey, why should I or anyone else be worried about it.

I get upset that because I have been with my girlfriend for 10 years we are raising my 2 kids and we are not going to leave each other. Yet we are not going to get married either. I don't want to be married ever again. I did it once it was the worst thing I ever did. I can't get on her insurance but, a gay couple can get on each others insurance without being married.

I believe they should get no special rights but, they should have the same rights as us. They are humans and as humans they should have all the rights anyone else has.

jack404 · 11-30-2011, 08:00 PM

Tango , your life is yours , what you do and how you do it is your choice , until your ways affect me or mine , and seeing they dont i got no right or reason to complain ..

also you dont bag me for my life choices ( although some have been shockin eh) , so why should i bag your's ??

you aint forcing me to accept what you do as right .. whether thats washing your car in a certain way or whatever!

so why should someone have the right to teach your kids or my kids that what either of us do it good or bad

thats brainwashing with a bias .. if its so normal then dont stress it , but this is just another lie like Carbon crisis and its needed tax , global warming we have to pay to prevent it , but they aint gonna spend the money blocking carbon . no they'll spend it on awareness campaigns for illegal immigrants to not be illegal no more ( open boarders and the costs that come with it ) welfare for all except those who deserve it ..

its a scam ..

and personally if you and your's talk to God about your marriage you only need the witness's and God's blessing will be upon both of you and your union , the paper? its another tax now ..

i like the documents found with the dead sea scrolls , read them about weddings and he was a Holy king ..

ampaterry · 11-30-2011, 09:27 PM

The US got involved in marriage laws away back in the early Mormon days - they wanted to nip plural marriage in the bud, and they did that.

Think about it, Tango.
SS, a TON of government guaranteed stuff, all keyed to the rights of a SPOUSE.
If the gov has NO control over what a marriage is, then they have no control over how many "spouses" pony up to the public trough for benefits -
And that DOES effect the rest of us -

cpttango30 · 12-01-2011, 07:00 AM

I just don't feel that the government has the right to tell me who or what I can marry. If I wanted to marry a tree and a man or women of the cloth was willing to do it then the government shouldn't be able to stop me.

cpttango30 · 12-01-2011, 07:01 AM

I will say I work in a High school of 2200+ students and 200+ staff. I was really shocked to see Gay Straight alliance posters up all over the school.

I also feel that if you wish to teach your children that being gay is wrong. Then that is your right as a parent. I say no harm no foul to all of it. I don't really worry about what others teach their kids.

carver · 12-01-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jack404

no but you can brain wash folks into thinking they are gay , and they start that when the kids are 6 and 7 years old here and i see the fags are poushing to do similar in the USA

Right on Jack! Brain washing is the key here. Heterosexuals reproduce, homosexuals recruit! My step son is queer. There have been many times that the subject has come up. The most important thing to remember is that homosexuality is a sin, just like adultery. Christ shed his blood for our sins, so that we might spend eternity with him. He loves us all, both straight, and queer, but he will not tolerate sin, nor will he be yoked to it!

Below are the definitions that I just copied from an online dictionary. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

sexual intercourse:
1 heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis.
2 intercourse (as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis

sodomy:
anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also: copulation with an animal.

Take a good look at this one! According to Webster's sex can be between two men/women, but sodomy can only be between two men/women. Talk about confused! It is either sex, or it is not! It is either sodomy, or it is not! It is either sin, or it is not! Sex is between two people of the opposite sexes! Don't believe that, then take a look at an older dictionary. Sodomy can only be performed between two people of the same sex. They are not the same! Things that are different, are not the same!

I do wish I had a video camera running when I first showed these words to my stepson. I just handed him a dictionary, and had him look up the two words, and read the definition. He was shocked! What he thought he knew was shot down.

ampaterry · 12-01-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cpttango30

I just don't feel that the government has the right to tell me who or what I can marry. If I wanted to marry a tree and a man or women of the cloth was willing to do it then the government shouldn't be able to stop me.

The government does not stop you.
What the government does is refuse to issue a LICENSE and RECOGNIZE that union as a legitimate marriage contract.

Otherwise, you can demand SS for your tree when it reaches 65 years old, based on your income. And that SS must continue to that tree after you die, for the rest of it's natural life.

None of us wants the government to step in and stop you from doing anything like this; what we demand is that the government does not force the rest of us to pay taxes to support any such thing.

Caneman · 12-01-2011, 10:53 AM

marriagage between a man and a woman is the moral foundation of our culture... erode the meaning of marriage, and the breakdown of the nuclear family by dead beat irresponsible dads, and you have the disintegration of our society... it is happening in real time right before out eyes...

carver · 12-01-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Caneman

marriagage between a man and a woman is the moral foundation of our culture... erode the meaning of marriage, and the breakdown of the nuclear family by dead beat irresponsible dads, and you have the disintegration of our society... it is happening in real time right before out eyes...

Yep! Take a look at welfare. If you are married, you don't qualify! Keep the father of the child out of the home, and they will pay you.

Caneman · 12-01-2011, 11:03 AM

^^^ IMO it is worth the fight to have the government tell people what marriage means, and what a legal marriage is... its a matter of preserving our society... the libertarians don't like this idea, but there are times when laws that tell of what to do really are a good idea if you have the big picture in mind...

i agree with you on welfare, doesn't make any sense at all... and a women will get more money the more kids she has, just encourages unwanted/unloved children...

raven818 · 12-01-2011, 04:18 PM

Your at the local Mart, and your kids point and ask, and you say...

Caneman · 12-01-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by raven818

Your at the local Mart, and your kids point and ask, and you say...

i tell my kids that the man is deceived into thinking he must engage in homosexuality, but that he has a choice to make the moral decision that if he is sexually active he will either be hetorosexual in marriage or he will refrain from his immoral homosexual desires and be celibate... then i tell them that heterosexuality in marriage is part of God's morality and righteousness and if they follow His moral laws their life will go well for them...

raven818 · 12-01-2011, 04:34 PM

Again, news stays in the background almost all day. Fifty thousand new cases a year of AIDS every year. This has been going on thirty years. I don't get it. How in the heck can anyone not know???

cpttango30 · 12-01-2011, 04:38 PM

I think this young man turned out all right for being raised by a gay couple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

raven818 · 12-01-2011, 04:41 PM

I listened to the first 39 seconds. I get it.

cpttango30 · 12-01-2011, 04:49 PM

SS has nothing at all to do with marriage. It is a broken system that has been broken for a long time. It is worthless and needs to go away. That is a different fight right there.

Money you get from the government has no bearing on who or what I marry. I stand by my feelings that no government should be allowed to tell me what to do when it comes to marriage. Same can be said about speech and protecting our family. These are rights that are mine because I am a living thinking being. Marriage is a religious act and government should have absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

I have known gay people my whole life. Why should they not be treated the same as hetrosexual people?

I mean Romans engaged in homosexual activities and incest. Spartan's they greatest warriors ever known engaged in homosexual activities. It didn't hurt them none.

If you want to bring god into it fine. God created man so therefor he created gay men and gay women as well.

cpttango30 · 12-01-2011, 04:52 PM

You do know that Elton John has been with the same man for 17 years. How many hetro marriages last that long? 10% maybe anymore. The divorce rate is 50% in the USA.

raven818 · 12-01-2011, 04:57 PM

Can't debate it with you. You obviously have me at a disadvantage.

M1AG30 · 05-14-2012, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpttango30

SS has nothing at all to do with marriage. It is a broken system that has been broken for a long time. It is worthless and needs to go away. That is a different fight right there.

Money you get from the government has no bearing on who or what I marry. I stand by my feelings that no government should be allowed to tell me what to do when it comes to marriage. Same can be said about speech and protecting our family. These are rights that are mine because I am a living thinking being. Marriage is a religious act and government should have absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

I have known gay people my whole life. Why should they not be treated the same as hetrosexual people?

I mean Romans engaged in homosexual activities and incest. Spartan's they greatest warriors ever known engaged in homosexual activities. It didn't hurt them none.

If you want to bring god into it fine. God created man so therefor he created gay men and gay women as well.

Oh Sh1t i cant believe they haven't deleted your posts as they did with the previous dissenter good points all glad to see there are a few open minds on this forum ...was thinking of deleting my account!.

jack404 · 05-14-2012, 07:30 PM

we aint like your kind that delete what we dont agree with , and we dont force our ideals down others throats like the gays do ..

M1AG30 · 05-14-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jack404

we aint like your kind that delete what we dont agree with , and we dont force our ideals down others throats like the gays do ..

really where are all of DEADMAU5 's posts they seem to be deleted from the string??? hmmm I cant find them .... strange that is~!!@

jack404 · 05-14-2012, 08:00 PM

DEADMAU5 does not exist here , got the right forum ??

jack404 · 05-14-2012, 08:01 PM

so was DEADMAU a friend of yours? likes to troll sites to defend the gay way from the evil of normalness ??

jack404 · 05-14-2012, 08:03 PM

never been a member here that i can see ..

11-30-2011, 07:28 PM	#51
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,404	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools Darn I missed all the fun. Can you imagine how screwed up this kid is gona be? Attached Images __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

11-30-2011, 07:50 PM	#52
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools WOW I don't think the government should make any law towards marriage any way. Marriage is a religious ceremony and a part of the church (What ever church that is). So there for government has no business what so ever making any law for or against it. I am of the live and let live perspective. Gay people are gay people. I am a smart guy but, I don't know enough about the human brain to know ig being gay is a choice or if they are born that way. No one does really not even the best brain surgeon in the world. You want to marry a person of the same sex or a goat or a monkey, why should I or anyone else be worried about it. I get upset that because I have been with my girlfriend for 10 years we are raising my 2 kids and we are not going to leave each other. Yet we are not going to get married either. I don't want to be married ever again. I did it once it was the worst thing I ever did. I can't get on her insurance but, a gay couple can get on each others insurance without being married. I believe they should get no special rights but, they should have the same rights as us. They are humans and as humans they should have all the rights anyone else has.

11-30-2011, 08:00 PM	#53
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools Tango , your life is yours , what you do and how you do it is your choice , until your ways affect me or mine , and seeing they dont i got no right or reason to complain .. also you dont bag me for my life choices ( although some have been shockin eh) , so why should i bag your's ?? you aint forcing me to accept what you do as right .. whether thats washing your car in a certain way or whatever! so why should someone have the right to teach your kids or my kids that what either of us do it good or bad thats brainwashing with a bias .. if its so normal then dont stress it , but this is just another lie like Carbon crisis and its needed tax , global warming we have to pay to prevent it , but they aint gonna spend the money blocking carbon . no they'll spend it on awareness campaigns for illegal immigrants to not be illegal no more ( open boarders and the costs that come with it ) welfare for all except those who deserve it .. its a scam .. and personally if you and your's talk to God about your marriage you only need the witness's and God's blessing will be upon both of you and your union , the paper? its another tax now .. i like the documents found with the dead sea scrolls , read them about weddings and he was a Holy king .. Last edited by jack404; 11-30-2011 at 08:03 PM..

11-30-2011, 09:27 PM	#54
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,286	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools The US got involved in marriage laws away back in the early Mormon days - they wanted to nip plural marriage in the bud, and they did that. Think about it, Tango. SS, a TON of government guaranteed stuff, all keyed to the rights of a SPOUSE. If the gov has NO control over what a marriage is, then they have no control over how many "spouses" pony up to the public trough for benefits - And that DOES effect the rest of us - __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

12-01-2011, 07:00 AM	#55
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools I just don't feel that the government has the right to tell me who or what I can marry. If I wanted to marry a tree and a man or women of the cloth was willing to do it then the government shouldn't be able to stop me.

12-01-2011, 07:01 AM	#56
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools I will say I work in a High school of 2200+ students and 200+ staff. I was really shocked to see Gay Straight alliance posters up all over the school. I also feel that if you wish to teach your children that being gay is wrong. Then that is your right as a parent. I say no harm no foul to all of it. I don't really worry about what others teach their kids. Last edited by cpttango30; 12-01-2011 at 07:02 AM..

12-01-2011, 10:53 AM	#59
Caneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,265	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools marriagage between a man and a woman is the moral foundation of our culture... erode the meaning of marriage, and the breakdown of the nuclear family by dead beat irresponsible dads, and you have the disintegration of our society... it is happening in real time right before out eyes...

12-01-2011, 11:03 AM	#61
Caneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,265	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools ^^^ IMO it is worth the fight to have the government tell people what marriage means, and what a legal marriage is... its a matter of preserving our society... the libertarians don't like this idea, but there are times when laws that tell of what to do really are a good idea if you have the big picture in mind... i agree with you on welfare, doesn't make any sense at all... and a women will get more money the more kids she has, just encourages unwanted/unloved children...

12-01-2011, 04:18 PM	#62
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools Your at the local Mart, and your kids point and ask, and you say... __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

12-01-2011, 04:34 PM	#64
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools Again, news stays in the background almost all day. Fifty thousand new cases a year of AIDS every year. This has been going on thirty years. I don't get it. How in the heck can anyone not know??? __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO Last edited by raven818; 12-01-2011 at 04:40 PM..

12-01-2011, 04:38 PM	#65
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools I think this young man turned out all right for being raised by a gay couple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ

12-01-2011, 04:41 PM	#66
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools I listened to the first 39 seconds. I get it. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

12-01-2011, 04:49 PM	#67
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools SS has nothing at all to do with marriage. It is a broken system that has been broken for a long time. It is worthless and needs to go away. That is a different fight right there. Money you get from the government has no bearing on who or what I marry. I stand by my feelings that no government should be allowed to tell me what to do when it comes to marriage. Same can be said about speech and protecting our family. These are rights that are mine because I am a living thinking being. Marriage is a religious act and government should have absolutely nothing at all to do with it. I have known gay people my whole life. Why should they not be treated the same as hetrosexual people? I mean Romans engaged in homosexual activities and incest. Spartan's they greatest warriors ever known engaged in homosexual activities. It didn't hurt them none. If you want to bring god into it fine. God created man so therefor he created gay men and gay women as well.

12-01-2011, 04:52 PM	#68
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools You do know that Elton John has been with the same man for 17 years. How many hetro marriages last that long? 10% maybe anymore. The divorce rate is 50% in the USA.

12-01-2011, 04:57 PM	#69
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools Can't debate it with you. You obviously have me at a disadvantage. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

05-14-2012, 07:30 PM	#71
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools we aint like your kind that delete what we dont agree with , and we dont force our ideals down others throats like the gays do ..

05-14-2012, 08:00 PM	#73
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools DEADMAU5 does not exist here , got the right forum ?? Attached Images

05-14-2012, 08:01 PM	#74
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools so was DEADMAU a friend of yours? likes to troll sites to defend the gay way from the evil of normalness ??

05-14-2012, 08:03 PM	#75
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Word is out on gay support in US schools never been a member here that i can see ..