Stupid CSI! - The Firearms Forum

H-D · 12-07-2011, 09:33 PM

Watching CSI and they picked up a 5.7x28 and I said cool a p90 or a FN FiveseveN the CSI said "I have never seen this caliber before" then they go on about how exotic it is that you cant even get this caliber in the USA .... stoopid

jack404 · 12-07-2011, 09:56 PM

funny i get mine from the USA...

H-D · 12-07-2011, 10:34 PM

I have seen 2 FN Five seveN's and a ps90 and can buy the ammo at 2 different locations in Meridian Ms (pop under 40k) so I know that it's available in las vegas....they are so out of touch with the real world

Juker · 12-08-2011, 08:59 AM

Let me guess - then they pulled the Gun DNA Analyzer off of their Batbelt, and determined the mineral and chemical composition of the trigger spring.

Right before they whupped out their guns and led the SWAT team on a terrorist safehouse raid.

JLA · 12-08-2011, 09:04 AM

I notice crap like that all the time. Like when the foresics person digs a mangled slug out of a brick wall and the cool FBI guy automatically knows it came form a .338 Lapua Magnum at a glance from 30 feet away.

Or when they find a body thats been shot, and the forensics person digs a perfectly unmangled bullet out of the body and says this is a .40 caliber bullet fired from a weapon with polygonal rifling. Then the cool FBI guy says, thats a Baby Eagle. Not even available in the US our 'un-sub' must be israeli.

Im always like Geez what dumb producers. They must think all of america is ignorant to guns and ammo and what happens when the metal hits the meat. I hate it..

carver · 12-08-2011, 09:07 AM

The writers of these shows do so for the money, and they really don't know squat about what they are talking about. They don't have to! It's entertainment, not reality! And yes, Americans are really that dumb! They voted Obozo into the White House!

Double Deuce · 12-08-2011, 09:16 AM

And then they determined it was an AK 47 like all other black guns.

Juker · 12-08-2011, 09:22 AM

It was such a hit that first season. Then they ran out of ideas and had to look at old episodes of Batman to invent new lab machines. Ratings dip? Time for a bondage episode.

gdmoody · 12-08-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by H-D

Watching CSI and they picked up a 5.7x28 and I said cool a p90 or a FN FiveseveN the CSI said "I have never seen this caliber before" then they go on about how exotic it is that you cant even get this caliber in the USA .... stoopid

Yeah, it is hard to get, I only have about 25 boxes of 5.7X28. If you watch it enough, you will catch them in a lot of stupid little mistakes!

herohog · 12-08-2011, 10:25 AM

I love how it blew quarter size, or bigger, holes in the trailer body. That is an awfuly effective hollow point or something!

reynolds357 · 12-08-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by H-D

Watching CSI and they picked up a 5.7x28 and I said cool a p90 or a FN FiveseveN the CSI said "I have never seen this caliber before" then they go on about how exotic it is that you cant even get this caliber in the USA .... stoopid

It so exotic that I have a FN five Seven.

reynolds357 · 12-08-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Double Deuce

And then they determined it was an AK 47 like all other black guns.

Every black gun is either an Ak-47 or an Ar-15. They have to be. Nothing else has ever been made.

We lost a case at our department when one of our brain surgeon officers cataloged a SKS into evidence as a AK-47.

jjmitchell60 · 12-08-2011, 10:46 AM

I watched it for a bit till they said it "would cut a man in half" and was "too [powerful" to be on the streets. Hollywood has done more to harm the image of firearms and their owners than any one who has used one in a crime, any crime IMHO. Holywood should be held accoutable for it's mis-information by hitting producers in their pocket boooks. IF they had to pay for each time they put out the wrong info, they would begin to straighten up IMHO.

reynolds357 · 12-08-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell60

I watched it for a bit till they said it "would cut a man in half" and was "too [powerful" to be on the streets. Hollywood has done more to harm the image of firearms and their owners than any one who has used one in a crime, any crime IMHO. Holywood should be held accoutable for it's mis-information by hitting producers in their pocket boooks. IF they had to pay for each time they put out the wrong info, they would begin to straighten up IMHO.

I am glad to know it is so powerful. I should be hunting Elk with my five seven instead of my 7 RUM.

fuzebox40 · 12-08-2011, 01:05 PM

Yep, I always find myself making little comments to my wife (of course she couldn't care less). I think my last comment while watching THE UNIT was "You can't open a dead bolt with a credit card!".

jacksonco · 12-08-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox40

Yep, I always find myself making little comments to my wife (of course she couldn't care less). I think my last comment while watching THE UNIT was "You can't open a dead bolt with a credit card!".

You can if it is a laser beam equipped credit card. Don't you get the laser option on your CC?

lawdawg · 12-08-2011, 02:35 PM

The biggest problem I have personally with these type shows is that there are people out there dumb enough to believe this BS, and then some of these people get selected for jury duty. They think we actually have all these cool machines and computers that we can zoom in on a bar code from a security camera from several yards away (actually saw that on one of the CSI, NCIS, or one of the other alphabet shows that my wife was watching), or other similarly impossible tasks. These jurors now expect police to have DNA, fingerprints, hair samples, and video of every single crime from every crime scene; and if we don't (we rarely do) it just means we are lazy and didn't do our job. It gets frustrating to say the least. These shows have caused more harm than probably anyone realizes. Not only are they harming the image of firearms and owners, but they have unintentionally let a lot of criminals off the hook and put them back into society because jurors expected all this nonsensical evidence to come forth at trial and was disappointed when it didn't. Even defense lawyers are keying in on this and playing it up during trials.

HunterAlpha1 · 12-08-2011, 02:56 PM

i don't watch many of the modern cop shows, especially Criminal Minds. that show is extremely anti-gun, anti-God, anti-America, and anti-morals. anyone who hunts, shoots, preps, or prays is instantly the prime suspect and almost always turns out to be the murderer. these kind of shows disgust me.

Ken W · 12-08-2011, 05:12 PM

It's in the same vein as some character squeezing of 20 rounds from a revolver before they ever even think of reloading, if they ever do. They figure most people are uneducated, sadly a mostly correct assessment, and won't notice their shortcuts.

H-D · 12-08-2011, 07:22 PM

they cut someone in half with the 5.7 it was stupid stupid stupid they called it zipper gun cuz u can zip someone in half....

Bobitis · 12-08-2011, 08:27 PM

Can't say I've ever seen it.

Sounds like it's a good thing.

gdmoody · 12-08-2011, 10:22 PM

I no longer have my PS90 or my FiveseveN, but I do have a sweet shooting custom barrel in 5.7X28 for my Thompson Contender.

I guess since it is so powerful, I am going to have to quit using it to hunt squirrel!!

trespoe · 12-08-2011, 11:46 PM

It isn't just guns. My wife is a nurse and we cannot watch some shows without her commenting on the fact that they are using a blood pressure cuff wrong, or mentioning wrong medicine, or misdiagnosing illnesses, or...

yeah, it is TV and hollywood.

oldman45 · 12-09-2011, 06:53 AM

Folks, it is television shows designed for entertainment. Like in Ben Hur, the drivers of the chariots were wearing wrist watches.

Likely 90% of those watching the show would not know what caliber anything was and most watching have never fired a gun.

CSI uses equipment that does not exist. I am a court qualified expert in accident & crime scene reconstruction and it takes days to determine some things the show will have solved immediately. Somethings we never know the full scoop on.

I watch the show on occasion for the same reason it is being shown. Strictly for entertainment.

Any show will have bloopers and say things that is not correct.

JLA · 12-09-2011, 09:51 AM

I just realized something.. The movie series "Band of Brothers" is probably the most realistic depiction of what really happens when bullets hit a mans flesh.. No getting blown back 20 feet, no giant gaping holes, Just bullet impact the 'slap' and total relaxation of all muscles if it was a good hit. The Movie, "Saving Private Ryan" is also very close, except of course for the wisps of smoke from the 'impact charge' going off to simulate a bullet strike. They didnt hide that too well in that movie.

12-07-2011, 09:33 PM	#1
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Stupid CSI! Watching CSI and they picked up a 5.7x28 and I said cool a p90 or a FN FiveseveN the CSI said "I have never seen this caliber before" then they go on about how exotic it is that you cant even get this caliber in the USA .... stoopid __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11 -->

12-07-2011, 09:56 PM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Stupid CSI! funny i get mine from the USA...

12-07-2011, 10:34 PM	#3
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: Stupid CSI! I have seen 2 FN Five seveN's and a ps90 and can buy the ammo at 2 different locations in Meridian Ms (pop under 40k) so I know that it's available in las vegas....they are so out of touch with the real world __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

12-08-2011, 08:59 AM	#4
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Stupid CSI! Let me guess - then they pulled the Gun DNA Analyzer off of their Batbelt, and determined the mineral and chemical composition of the trigger spring. Right before they whupped out their guns and led the SWAT team on a terrorist safehouse raid. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

12-08-2011, 09:04 AM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Stupid CSI! I notice crap like that all the time. Like when the foresics person digs a mangled slug out of a brick wall and the cool FBI guy automatically knows it came form a .338 Lapua Magnum at a glance from 30 feet away. Or when they find a body thats been shot, and the forensics person digs a perfectly unmangled bullet out of the body and says this is a .40 caliber bullet fired from a weapon with polygonal rifling. Then the cool FBI guy says, thats a Baby Eagle. Not even available in the US our 'un-sub' must be israeli. Im always like Geez what dumb producers. They must think all of america is ignorant to guns and ammo and what happens when the metal hits the meat. I hate it.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-08-2011, 09:07 AM	#6
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: Stupid CSI! The writers of these shows do so for the money, and they really don't know squat about what they are talking about. They don't have to! It's entertainment, not reality! And yes, Americans are really that dumb! They voted Obozo into the White House! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 12-08-2011 at 09:09 AM..

12-08-2011, 09:16 AM	#7
Double Deuce V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 313	Re: Stupid CSI! And then they determined it was an AK 47 like all other black guns.

12-08-2011, 09:22 AM	#8
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Stupid CSI! It was such a hit that first season. Then they ran out of ideas and had to look at old episodes of Batman to invent new lab machines. Ratings dip? Time for a bondage episode. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

12-08-2011, 10:25 AM	#10
herohog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 453	Re: Stupid CSI! I love how it blew quarter size, or bigger, holes in the trailer body. That is an awfuly effective hollow point or something! __________________ Speedy: Pres, NW Chapter, League VP of Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League AKA: Hero Hog, Dr. Speed, "The Brass Mangler" and "That fat, old, balding, Grey-bearded gimpy guy" NRA, LSA, USN-DAV *Winning and getting the prize aren't the same it would appear... TWICE!*

12-08-2011, 10:46 AM	#13
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Stupid CSI! I watched it for a bit till they said it "would cut a man in half" and was "too [powerful" to be on the streets. Hollywood has done more to harm the image of firearms and their owners than any one who has used one in a crime, any crime IMHO. Holywood should be held accoutable for it's mis-information by hitting producers in their pocket boooks. IF they had to pay for each time they put out the wrong info, they would begin to straighten up IMHO. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson

12-08-2011, 01:05 PM	#15
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,485	Re: Stupid CSI! Yep, I always find myself making little comments to my wife (of course she couldn't care less). I think my last comment while watching THE UNIT was "You can't open a dead bolt with a credit card!".

12-08-2011, 02:35 PM	#17
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: Stupid CSI! The biggest problem I have personally with these type shows is that there are people out there dumb enough to believe this BS, and then some of these people get selected for jury duty. They think we actually have all these cool machines and computers that we can zoom in on a bar code from a security camera from several yards away (actually saw that on one of the CSI, NCIS, or one of the other alphabet shows that my wife was watching), or other similarly impossible tasks. These jurors now expect police to have DNA, fingerprints, hair samples, and video of every single crime from every crime scene; and if we don't (we rarely do) it just means we are lazy and didn't do our job. It gets frustrating to say the least. These shows have caused more harm than probably anyone realizes. Not only are they harming the image of firearms and owners, but they have unintentionally let a lot of criminals off the hook and put them back into society because jurors expected all this nonsensical evidence to come forth at trial and was disappointed when it didn't. Even defense lawyers are keying in on this and playing it up during trials. __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

12-08-2011, 02:56 PM	#18
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: Stupid CSI! i don't watch many of the modern cop shows, especially Criminal Minds. that show is extremely anti-gun, anti-God, anti-America, and anti-morals. anyone who hunts, shoots, preps, or prays is instantly the prime suspect and almost always turns out to be the murderer. these kind of shows disgust me.

12-08-2011, 05:12 PM	#19
Ken W V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 346	Re: Stupid CSI! It's in the same vein as some character squeezing of 20 rounds from a revolver before they ever even think of reloading, if they ever do. They figure most people are uneducated, sadly a mostly correct assessment, and won't notice their shortcuts.

12-08-2011, 07:22 PM	#20
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: Stupid CSI! they cut someone in half with the 5.7 it was stupid stupid stupid they called it zipper gun cuz u can zip someone in half.... __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

12-08-2011, 08:27 PM	#21
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Stupid CSI! Can't say I've ever seen it. Sounds like it's a good thing. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

12-08-2011, 10:22 PM	#22
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,343	Re: Stupid CSI! I no longer have my PS90 or my FiveseveN, but I do have a sweet shooting custom barrel in 5.7X28 for my Thompson Contender. I guess since it is so powerful, I am going to have to quit using it to hunt squirrel!! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

12-08-2011, 11:46 PM	#23
trespoe V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 88	Re: Stupid CSI! It isn't just guns. My wife is a nurse and we cannot watch some shows without her commenting on the fact that they are using a blood pressure cuff wrong, or mentioning wrong medicine, or misdiagnosing illnesses, or... yeah, it is TV and hollywood.

12-09-2011, 06:53 AM	#24
oldman45 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Louisiana Posts: 34	Re: Stupid CSI! Folks, it is television shows designed for entertainment. Like in Ben Hur, the drivers of the chariots were wearing wrist watches. Likely 90% of those watching the show would not know what caliber anything was and most watching have never fired a gun. CSI uses equipment that does not exist. I am a court qualified expert in accident & crime scene reconstruction and it takes days to determine some things the show will have solved immediately. Somethings we never know the full scoop on. I watch the show on occasion for the same reason it is being shown. Strictly for entertainment. Any show will have bloopers and say things that is not correct.

12-09-2011, 09:51 AM	#25
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Stupid CSI! I just realized something.. The movie series "Band of Brothers" is probably the most realistic depiction of what really happens when bullets hit a mans flesh.. No getting blown back 20 feet, no giant gaping holes, Just bullet impact the 'slap' and total relaxation of all muscles if it was a good hit. The Movie, "Saving Private Ryan" is also very close, except of course for the wisps of smoke from the 'impact charge' going off to simulate a bullet strike. They didnt hide that too well in that movie. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!