NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 12-09-2011, 06:04 PM

hmmm maybe this would have solved my problem with the Harris twins back when ( which one to date, ended up dating neither as they argued too much and why polygamy is for the crazy , can you imagine two girlies giving you orders ?? they'd counter command each other every few min's !!!!)

Three in marriage bed more of a good thing

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226218569577

FOR weeks, Sydneysiders and Melburnians who believe menages-a-trois and other polyamorous relationships can be just as committed, loving and valid as marriage between a man and a woman, slaved away together to earn their place in the sun.

They drew up plans, sawed wood, hammered nails.

Finally, in early March, it was ready: the first float celebrating polyamory to join the colourful flotilla in the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.

For psychologist Nina Melksham, it marked the moment when the poly community, like gays and lesbians a generation ago, had come out of the closet to stand up and be counted.

"The polyamory community has always been supportive of the values of equality and acceptance," Melksham told Inquirer this week.

"Participating in the Mardi Gras was a natural way for us to affirm these values."

Boosted by this success, Melksham and her polyamorous friends are planning an even bigger show for next year's festival.

The polyamorous community has a further cause for celebration.

They believe last weekend's vote by the ALP national conference to change the party platform to legalise same-sex marriage is a base on which they can build.

The agenda now is to seek recognition and the removal of prejudice against multiple-partner relationships, perhaps legislation to grant them civil unions and even legalised polyamorous marriage.

"My personal view is that any change that moves us towards a more loving, open and accepting society can only be a positive," Melksham says.

Melksham runs a counselling practice in Lilyfield in Sydney's inner west catering to polyamorous clients. She describes her own domestic arrangements as "a bit complicated at the moment": she lives with her former husband, who she describes as her "best friend", and is in a "vee" relationship with two boyfriends who live separately.

"I had the experience of being deeply in love with more than one person at a time. I had the choice to either deny the reality of the situation or grow and become a more accepting and tolerant person."

The polyamorous community in Australia is a broad church, with the slogan of its very active website being "ethical non-monogamy".

It is increasingly prominent, with organised groups in most capital cities that hold regular discussion sessions and social nights.

Polyamorists generally distinguish themselves from the monogamous gay community, and from those seeking kinky casual sex. Some also see themselves as different from heterosexual polygamists where the "hinge" member has sexual relations with the two of the opposite sex, but the two of the same sex do not have sex with each other.

Rather they may form, in polyamorist lingo, a "polyfidelist triad" in which there is an equilateral triangle of sexual activity.

Such was the argument of 46-year-old Victor de Bruijn and his 31-year-old wife of eight years, Bianca, when they were formally united in 2005 in a small Dutch town with Mirjam Geven, a recently divorced 35-year-old whom they'd met several years earlier.

Although Dutch law bans polygamy, because there was no actual marriage in the technical sense, just a common law civil contract, the trio's union was allowed.

Two court cases, one in Canada last month and one in Australia earlier in the year, show that while British-based law remains resolute against multiple partner marriage, it accepts that a common law threesome is not illegal or even necessarily family-unfriendly.

In the Canadian case, British Columbia Chief Justice Robert Bauman upheld Canada's anti-polygamy law, but left polyamorous families free from sanction if they do not commit an overt act of multiple marriage.

The Australian case involved a man whose wife had left him for another man and a woman, and taken the children. When the trio set up house together, mingled their respective offspring, and shared the same bedroom, the jilted husband applied to the court seeking an urgent order that the children be removed from the "immoral" household.

But magistrate Philip Burchardt rejected the application, saying the threesome seemed to be "thoroughly decent and honest people" and "I do not regard the relationship . . . as being damaging to the children."

One of Melksham's boyfriends, Stuart Dixon, believes polyamorous civil unions or marriage are set to come on to the national agenda following the ALP conference vote.

"I personally feel it would be appropriate to have some sort of legal recognition of multiple partners," Dixon said.

For those who fought the battle last week at the ALP national conference in support of the change of the party platform, the emergence of "poly pride" is a dangerous development.

Inquirer this week contacted some of the most vocal supporters within the ALP caucus for legalising gay marriage: Finance Minister Penny Wong, Schools Minister Peter Garrett, Social Inclusion Minister Tanya Plibersek, Transport Minister Anthony Albanese, left convener Doug Cameron and Stephen Jones, who plans to introduce a same-sex marriage bill.

Inquirer asked them: "Do you, given your deep commitment to the topic, believe that at the next ALP national conference the platform should be further amended to legalise marriage among polyfidelist triads?"

Not one would speak to Inquirer on the topic, and most did not reply.

After some pressure, Attorney-General Robert McClelland responded, going out of his way to make clear that while gay marriage might be on the agenda, legalised menages-a-trois were not. "Irrespective of whether the definition of marriage is extended to include same-sex couples, there has been and is no suggestion that the definition should extend to polygamous relationships," a spokesman said.

Even the whisper of recognising polyamorous unions presents two threats for supporters of gay marriage: one from the Right, the other from the Left.

Niko Antalffy, a sociologist at Sydney's Macquarie University who has studied polyamory and has been "actively polyamorous for about seven years", says: "Of course they are scared.

"Having multiple partners sounds radical and they know that it won't fly with the mainstream community," Antalffy says.

"If you want to promote gay marriage you want to distance yourself with the slippery slope argument as much as possible, so no one will think that marrying your goat is next."

The polyamorous marriage concept has indeed given conservatives such as NSW upper house MP Fred Nile more ammunition following the ALP national conference vote. "I warned people this would be the next stage," Nile tells Inquirer.

"You'd get threesomes, foursomes, fivesomes, wanting the same rights. Some people even say they want to marry their pet animal."

The polyamorist threat from the Left to the gay marriage campaign is more subtle. It raises the question whether those who support gay marriage on the basis of equal rights are hypocritical in not being prepared to even discuss the possibility of committed polyamorists being eligible.

The polyamorist community includes a large component of tertiary-educated professionals and academics because, they say, they are able to assimilate the intellectual sophistication of the polyamory thesis.

"We now know that sexual monogamy is neither natural nor common and has never been," Antalffy says.

"The institution of marriage and cultural assumptions of monogamy arrived with agriculture and property ownership. In the last four to five decades everything has changed, though: religion has lost its grip on life, we are rich in material goods as well as opportunities, we have greater choices in lifestyles, there's more equality and equality of opportunity, women can make do without having to be married to a man who keeps her.

"And this brings out human desire, which is multifarious to say the least. Polyamory is the sweet result of modernity."

* * *

A MANY SPLENDOURED THING: THE POLY GLOSSARY
Compersion: The antidote to jealousy: taking joy in the knowledge that a partner is having sexual relations with someone else.

Friend-with-benefits: A relationship where friendship comes first, with occasional sexual contact and no partner-level commitment.

F..k-buddy: A relationship focused primarily on the sex.

New Relationship Energy (NRE): The excitement and energy-boost experienced in the first glow of a new relationship.

Open relationship: A general term meaning consensual non-monogamy.

Polyandry: A woman having more than one husband.

Polyfidelity: A polyamorous relationship of committed and long standing where members agree to be sexually exclusive to one another.

Polygamy: One partner of one sex having more than one spouse of the opposite sex.

Polygyny: A man having more than one wife.

Primary: The commitment relationship which may involve living together, marriage, mutual finances, and co-parenting.

Quad: A relationship between four people, each of whom is intimately connected to all the others.

Secondary: A relationship which may involve sporadic sex, but of a lower order in terms of priority, time and commitment.

Triad: A sexual equilateral triangle in which each member is romantically connected to the others.

Vee: Where one person in a threesome, known as the "hinge", is sexually involved with two others, but those two are not sexually engaged with each other.

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Arh the agenda for the perverse

to break down the family unit and break our moral fibre

its here, its happening and its sickening

HunterAlpha1 · 12-09-2011, 06:38 PM

jack404 · 12-09-2011, 06:48 PM

can you imagine the future ?

dating is replaced with online shopping

"oh i'll take the little asian guy , and the black lady ( not the big one no the little skinny one behind her) , and what type goats do you have in stock ? oh only those huh ? , better get the donkey instead then, wrap them all in burqa's and send em along too"

raven818 · 12-09-2011, 06:51 PM

Marriage between just one male and one female is going to become one of those old Blue Laws everybody laughs at today ( like the woman has to be on the bottom, man on top, or else ).

What has happened to laws covering infidelity.

Quote:

"The institution of marriage and cultural assumptions of monogamy arrived with agriculture and property ownership. In the last four to five decades everything has changed, though: religion has lost its grip on life, we are rich in material goods as well as opportunities, we have greater choices in lifestyles, there's more equality and equality of opportunity, women can make do without having to be married to a man who keeps her.

I can't remember the name of the movie, but Tommy Chong's daughter had the lead female role. She taught her neanderthal lover the Face To Face method of love making, and polygamy began.

Not to put a light side to this issue, but to say a life long relationship between a male and a female came about the same time as property ownership did, is absolutely wrong. We recognize marriage today as a legal bond between a male and a female ( most of us do ).

But if you break it down, it's a commitment to spend our lives together, paper or no paper. Yes, in the strictest sense, that's living in sin.

People decided to get married because they were in love, and the male ( or both ) had the ability to provide for a family. Not because he had two horses and a dozen cows.

Juker · 12-09-2011, 06:55 PM

2 Timothy 3 (KJV)

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with diverse lusts,

7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

jack404 · 12-09-2011, 06:58 PM

its all coming about eh ..

Bobitis · 12-09-2011, 07:08 PM

The single biggest issue I have with the whole concept is...

When/why did the government decide that a spiritual commitment was any of their business?

One answer. Control.

Separation of Church and State my butt!

jack404 · 12-09-2011, 07:14 PM

church and state are separate , the state is attacking the church by funding those who feel threatened by morality and helping the socialist acheive a major goal ( 3 in fact)
the destruction of our moral backbone
the desctruction of faith
and the ongoing decent into sodom

raven818 · 12-09-2011, 07:56 PM

Quote:

the destruction of our moral backbone
the desctruction of faith
and the ongoing decent into sodom

The rewriting of our history books has already begun. That in itself is enough to accomplish all three. Include the dying off of the last couple generations, and it's a done deal.

HunterAlpha1 · 12-09-2011, 08:55 PM

we are approaching our collapse phase.

every nation experiences five phases:

1. Rise
2. Uniting
3. Golden Age
4. Decline
5. Collapse

our rise was during the War for Independence and up until around the War of 1812. our uniting was from after Wo1812 to the Reconstruction. after the Reconstruction we had our Golden Age until the 1960s, at which point we forgot God entered a decline. now, we have forgotten our history, and are entering our collapse phase.

throughout history some nations have recovered from a decline and were able to experience another golden age, and a very few have even recovered from collapse. let's all pray we luck out and are one of the these.

12-09-2011, 06:04 PM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK hmmm maybe this would have solved my problem with the Harris twins back when ( which one to date, ended up dating neither as they argued too much and why polygamy is for the crazy , can you imagine two girlies giving you orders ?? they'd counter command each other every few min's !!!!) Three in marriage bed more of a good thing http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226218569577 FOR weeks, Sydneysiders and Melburnians who believe menages-a-trois and other polyamorous relationships can be just as committed, loving and valid as marriage between a man and a woman, slaved away together to earn their place in the sun. They drew up plans, sawed wood, hammered nails. Finally, in early March, it was ready: the first float celebrating polyamory to join the colourful flotilla in the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. For psychologist Nina Melksham, it marked the moment when the poly community, like gays and lesbians a generation ago, had come out of the closet to stand up and be counted. "The polyamory community has always been supportive of the values of equality and acceptance," Melksham told Inquirer this week. "Participating in the Mardi Gras was a natural way for us to affirm these values." Boosted by this success, Melksham and her polyamorous friends are planning an even bigger show for next year's festival. The polyamorous community has a further cause for celebration. They believe last weekend's vote by the ALP national conference to change the party platform to legalise same-sex marriage is a base on which they can build. The agenda now is to seek recognition and the removal of prejudice against multiple-partner relationships, perhaps legislation to grant them civil unions and even legalised polyamorous marriage. "My personal view is that any change that moves us towards a more loving, open and accepting society can only be a positive," Melksham says. Melksham runs a counselling practice in Lilyfield in Sydney's inner west catering to polyamorous clients. She describes her own domestic arrangements as "a bit complicated at the moment": she lives with her former husband, who she describes as her "best friend", and is in a "vee" relationship with two boyfriends who live separately. "I had the experience of being deeply in love with more than one person at a time. I had the choice to either deny the reality of the situation or grow and become a more accepting and tolerant person." The polyamorous community in Australia is a broad church, with the slogan of its very active website being "ethical non-monogamy". It is increasingly prominent, with organised groups in most capital cities that hold regular discussion sessions and social nights. Polyamorists generally distinguish themselves from the monogamous gay community, and from those seeking kinky casual sex. Some also see themselves as different from heterosexual polygamists where the "hinge" member has sexual relations with the two of the opposite sex, but the two of the same sex do not have sex with each other. Rather they may form, in polyamorist lingo, a "polyfidelist triad" in which there is an equilateral triangle of sexual activity. Such was the argument of 46-year-old Victor de Bruijn and his 31-year-old wife of eight years, Bianca, when they were formally united in 2005 in a small Dutch town with Mirjam Geven, a recently divorced 35-year-old whom they'd met several years earlier. Although Dutch law bans polygamy, because there was no actual marriage in the technical sense, just a common law civil contract, the trio's union was allowed. Two court cases, one in Canada last month and one in Australia earlier in the year, show that while British-based law remains resolute against multiple partner marriage, it accepts that a common law threesome is not illegal or even necessarily family-unfriendly. In the Canadian case, British Columbia Chief Justice Robert Bauman upheld Canada's anti-polygamy law, but left polyamorous families free from sanction if they do not commit an overt act of multiple marriage. The Australian case involved a man whose wife had left him for another man and a woman, and taken the children. When the trio set up house together, mingled their respective offspring, and shared the same bedroom, the jilted husband applied to the court seeking an urgent order that the children be removed from the "immoral" household. But magistrate Philip Burchardt rejected the application, saying the threesome seemed to be "thoroughly decent and honest people" and "I do not regard the relationship . . . as being damaging to the children." One of Melksham's boyfriends, Stuart Dixon, believes polyamorous civil unions or marriage are set to come on to the national agenda following the ALP conference vote. "I personally feel it would be appropriate to have some sort of legal recognition of multiple partners," Dixon said. For those who fought the battle last week at the ALP national conference in support of the change of the party platform, the emergence of "poly pride" is a dangerous development. Inquirer this week contacted some of the most vocal supporters within the ALP caucus for legalising gay marriage: Finance Minister Penny Wong, Schools Minister Peter Garrett, Social Inclusion Minister Tanya Plibersek, Transport Minister Anthony Albanese, left convener Doug Cameron and Stephen Jones, who plans to introduce a same-sex marriage bill. Inquirer asked them: "Do you, given your deep commitment to the topic, believe that at the next ALP national conference the platform should be further amended to legalise marriage among polyfidelist triads?" Not one would speak to Inquirer on the topic, and most did not reply. After some pressure, Attorney-General Robert McClelland responded, going out of his way to make clear that while gay marriage might be on the agenda, legalised menages-a-trois were not. "Irrespective of whether the definition of marriage is extended to include same-sex couples, there has been and is no suggestion that the definition should extend to polygamous relationships," a spokesman said. Even the whisper of recognising polyamorous unions presents two threats for supporters of gay marriage: one from the Right, the other from the Left. Niko Antalffy, a sociologist at Sydney's Macquarie University who has studied polyamory and has been "actively polyamorous for about seven years", says: "Of course they are scared. "Having multiple partners sounds radical and they know that it won't fly with the mainstream community," Antalffy says. "If you want to promote gay marriage you want to distance yourself with the slippery slope argument as much as possible, so no one will think that marrying your goat is next." The polyamorous marriage concept has indeed given conservatives such as NSW upper house MP Fred Nile more ammunition following the ALP national conference vote. "I warned people this would be the next stage," Nile tells Inquirer. "You'd get threesomes, foursomes, fivesomes, wanting the same rights. Some people even say they want to marry their pet animal." The polyamorist threat from the Left to the gay marriage campaign is more subtle. It raises the question whether those who support gay marriage on the basis of equal rights are hypocritical in not being prepared to even discuss the possibility of committed polyamorists being eligible. The polyamorist community includes a large component of tertiary-educated professionals and academics because, they say, they are able to assimilate the intellectual sophistication of the polyamory thesis. "We now know that sexual monogamy is neither natural nor common and has never been," Antalffy says. "The institution of marriage and cultural assumptions of monogamy arrived with agriculture and property ownership. In the last four to five decades everything has changed, though: religion has lost its grip on life, we are rich in material goods as well as opportunities, we have greater choices in lifestyles, there's more equality and equality of opportunity, women can make do without having to be married to a man who keeps her. "And this brings out human desire, which is multifarious to say the least. Polyamory is the sweet result of modernity." * * * A MANY SPLENDOURED THING: THE POLY GLOSSARY Compersion: The antidote to jealousy: taking joy in the knowledge that a partner is having sexual relations with someone else. Friend-with-benefits: A relationship where friendship comes first, with occasional sexual contact and no partner-level commitment. F..k-buddy: A relationship focused primarily on the sex. New Relationship Energy (NRE): The excitement and energy-boost experienced in the first glow of a new relationship. Open relationship: A general term meaning consensual non-monogamy. Polyandry: A woman having more than one husband. Polyfidelity: A polyamorous relationship of committed and long standing where members agree to be sexually exclusive to one another. Polygamy: One partner of one sex having more than one spouse of the opposite sex. Polygyny: A man having more than one wife. Primary: The commitment relationship which may involve living together, marriage, mutual finances, and co-parenting. Quad: A relationship between four people, each of whom is intimately connected to all the others. Secondary: A relationship which may involve sporadic sex, but of a lower order in terms of priority, time and commitment. Triad: A sexual equilateral triangle in which each member is romantically connected to the others. Vee: Where one person in a threesome, known as the "hinge", is sexually involved with two others, but those two are not sexually engaged with each other. ----------------------------------------------------------- Arh the agenda for the perverse to break down the family unit and break our moral fibre its here, its happening and its sickening --> Last edited by jack404; 12-09-2011 at 06:07 PM..

12-09-2011, 06:38 PM	#2
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK

12-09-2011, 06:48 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK can you imagine the future ? dating is replaced with online shopping "oh i'll take the little asian guy , and the black lady ( not the big one no the little skinny one behind her) , and what type goats do you have in stock ? oh only those huh ? , better get the donkey instead then, wrap them all in burqa's and send em along too"

12-09-2011, 06:55 PM	#5
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK 2 Timothy 3 (KJV) 1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with diverse lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was. 10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

12-09-2011, 06:58 PM	#6
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK its all coming about eh ..

12-09-2011, 07:08 PM	#7
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK The single biggest issue I have with the whole concept is... When/why did the government decide that a spiritual commitment was any of their business? One answer. Control. Separation of Church and State my butt! __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

12-09-2011, 07:14 PM	#8
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK church and state are separate , the state is attacking the church by funding those who feel threatened by morality and helping the socialist acheive a major goal ( 3 in fact) the destruction of our moral backbone the desctruction of faith and the ongoing decent into sodom

12-09-2011, 08:55 PM	#10
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: NOW POLYGAMY is set to be made A OK we are approaching our collapse phase. every nation experiences five phases: 1. Rise 2. Uniting 3. Golden Age 4. Decline 5. Collapse our rise was during the War for Independence and up until around the War of 1812. our uniting was from after Wo1812 to the Reconstruction. after the Reconstruction we had our Golden Age until the 1960s, at which point we forgot God entered a decline. now, we have forgotten our history, and are entering our collapse phase. throughout history some nations have recovered from a decline and were able to experience another golden age, and a very few have even recovered from collapse. let's all pray we luck out and are one of the these.