People amaze me - The Firearms Forum

reynolds357 · 11-29-2011, 01:38 PM

A while back I bought a virtually new 700 at the pawn shop for a steal. My buddy at the pawn shop told me they sold it to him because they say it wont zero in. It had a Chinese scope on it so I figured that was the problem. I put it in the safe and have not thought about it for over a year. This morning, I pulled it out of the safe to mount a new scope on it and immediately discovered why the old one would not zero. It was mounted on what I call "Redfield mounting system." People call it Leupold now, but it was invented by Redfield and to me it will always be Redfield. The knucklehead that mounted the scope had it canted so far out of whack on the base to the left that he did not have enough windage in the scope to compensate for the wonderful job of mounting that he did.

CampingJosh · 11-29-2011, 02:10 PM

Don't complain! Without idiots, the rest of us would have a much harder time getting a good deal!

joncutt87 · 11-29-2011, 02:11 PM

Wow, some people are special

Jim Hauff · 11-29-2011, 02:14 PM

Old saying, "When ever something is made 'fool proof', along comes a better grade of fool."

Dirtypacman · 11-29-2011, 02:19 PM

So the real question is what was the bargain you got on the 700, always wanted one myself.

cpttango30 · 11-29-2011, 03:23 PM

Man I wish I cold find deals like that.

nynomad · 11-29-2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Hauff

Old saying, "When ever something is made 'fool proof', along comes a better grade of fool."

How true!!!

jack404 · 11-29-2011, 04:38 PM

i had a nice older gent come to me one day and ask about getting a scope zero'd similar story ..

got him sorted and that one gent has sent me soooo much business , we've a few gun store here that are very cheap but they do lousy work .. so follks buy there now and come to me to sort it all

i cant complain eh i'm rather grateful they make a bad rep for themselves ..

3/2 STA SS · 11-29-2011, 10:50 PM

I had a buddy that put the scope on backwards and could not figure out why he couldn't hit sh*t....true story.

LDBennett · 11-30-2011, 06:30 AM

Years ago when still gainfully employed the weekends were my only opportunity to go shooting. My range was always crowded and sometimes people were waiting in line to get a shooting bench. Anyway, many times I have watched shooters almost empty their ammo stores trying to get a gun zeroed that the local gun stores had "zeroed" for them in the store.

Many were amazed when I removed their bolt and made the sight through the bore match the cross hairs of the scope and how that got them really close on the paper.

The point is that most gun stores without a resident gunsmith have no idea how to zero a scope for a customer. Few new shooter understand the concept at all.

LDBennett

AL MOUNT · 11-30-2011, 07:37 AM

Agree with you 100+ LD.

The gun store clerk will "Bore sight" yer scope and gun for free.

But that is only intended to "Get you in the ball park", at best...

And make it a little easier for you to zero.

If what I say in incorrect... somebody please correct me.

cycloneman · 11-30-2011, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDBennett

Years ago when still gainfully employed the weekends were my only opportunity to go shooting. My range was always crowded and sometimes people were waiting in line to get a shooting bench. Anyway, many times I have watched shooters almost empty their ammo stores trying to get a gun zeroed that the local gun stores had "zeroed" for them in the store.

Many were amazed when I removed their bolt and made the sight through the bore match the cross hairs of the scope and how that got them really close on the paper.

The point is that most gun stores without a resident gunsmith have no idea how to zero a scope for a customer. Few new shooter understand the concept at all.

LDBennett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vw2CrY9Igs

carver · 11-30-2011, 08:12 AM

It's not that some folks are fools, but more so that some folks just don't know. I have hunted all my life, but I always used open sights. Scopes are still a mystry to me, so I usually have someone else set them up for me. I just don't have all the swell little tools that a gun smith has, so I do the best I can. I have only had four guns in my life that had scopes on them. A Remington Woodsmaster in 30.06, a.22, a 30-30 that I got from my FIL that was already scoped, and I just purchased a Remington 700 that I have put a scope on, and that scope was given to me. Can you put a scope on a rifle, and have it be cock-eyed? I suppose so, and I bet I can do it too!

reynolds357 · 11-30-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtypacman

So the real question is what was the bargain you got on the 700, always wanted one myself.

700 XCR with Burris Zee "Redfield style" bases and rings. $200. A cheap scope I will sell to somebody for $35 to 50.
Rifle looks new, one small scratch on stock. By the end of deer season, it will probably have a lot of scratches on stock so that was no big deal.

Dirtypacman · 11-30-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by reynolds357

700 XCR with Burris Zee "Redfield style" bases and rings. $200. A cheap scope I will sell to somebody for $35 to 50.
Rifle looks new, one small scratch on stock. By the end of deer season, it will probably have a lot of scratches on stock so that was no big deal.

Hell Yeah - I don't even mind if you throw a markup on it when you decide to sell it to me

DidI · 11-30-2011, 05:12 PM

Makes ya wonder. I guess if you don't know which end of the scope to look into, or how the whole system works ..... Maybe, just maybe you should not have a gun . . . . At least around me.
Might be the same crew that believe the .223 is so bad cause the bullets tumble as they go down range. I guess everyone can't pass the Physics class

hunterfisher · 11-30-2011, 06:42 PM

I wish I could find a deal like that.

StoneChimney · 11-30-2011, 07:15 PM

Years ago bought a Sako Finnbear Deluxe cheap because the pawn shop though the bolt stop was broken and therefore the bolt would come flying out and kill the shooter. Had to convince them to sell it, sign a waiver, give them a copy of my FFL, the whole deal.

Took it home, took the bolt out and rotated the guide back to the correct side of the bolt, and "fixed."

reynolds357 · 11-30-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoneChimney

Years ago bought a Sako Finnbear Deluxe cheap because the pawn shop though the bolt stop was broken and therefore the bolt would come flying out and kill the shooter. Had to convince them to sell it, sign a waiver, give them a copy of my FFL, the whole deal.

Took it home, took the bolt out and rotated the guide back to the correct side of the bolt, and "fixed."

That is funny in several different ways. Did they have ANY degree of comprehension of how a bolt action even works?

CHW2021 · 12-01-2011, 09:15 AM

Have some fun and count the people with scope cuts and black eyes from shooting poorly mounted scopes before deer season.

The best one I saw had the poor dolt at the gunstore to buy another scope; his zeiss was mounted so close to his eye that it was a wonder he could see thru it at all, he had 2 black eyes and stitches in his forehead. The rifle was a 300 win mag, the poor bugger looked like a raccoon. lucky for him the clerk had pity enough to only take it in back to reposition the scope and charge him $50.00 for the job.
I was kindly going to offer to buy that pos scope from the guy.....oh well.

oldbrass · 12-06-2011, 10:30 PM

He might as well been shooting snap caps, congrats on your rifle.

H-D · 12-06-2011, 10:47 PM

I got my Browning A-Bolt II from a guy at work who got it from another co-worker who said it didn't shoot "worth a damn" and missed 2 deer with it
he said "yeah I bore sighted this gun for Steve at the shop and told him to be sure to put it on paper before he shot it, he missed 2 deer wonder if he ever put it on paper?" it had a 30 dollar tasco 3x9x50 he said let's shoot it so he set up a target at 135 yds I shot it twice and he shot it once and a dime would cover all 3 shots without the edges showing it was 6" high and 8" to the right

Brisk44 · 12-06-2011, 10:49 PM

Glad to hear you got a super deal.

whymememe · 12-06-2011, 10:50 PM

Some people have all the Luck. Huh, guys?

Inthewind1976 · 12-07-2011, 04:40 AM

Many years ago, my uncle purchased a Savage 99C Deluxe for my cousin (his son) and my cousin mounted a "top end" Bushnell on the rifle, and proceeded over the next 10 years to shoot quite a few whitetail in the hind quarters. The story each time, was that he had aimed at the neck, and couldnt understand why he had clipped the dear in the rump. He eventually decided that the rifle "wouldnt shoot" and told my uncle to put it in HIS gun cabinet and he never wanted to see it again. The rifle sat in the cabinet, sans the scope, for many years, and my cousin tied up the better part of a grand in a new stainless rifle that he hunted with from that point on. After quite a few years, during a casual conversation about god knows what, my uncle asked me to mount one of my spare scopes on the 99 and see if it, in deed, was "inaccurate." In addition, he gave me two boxes of reloads, and two partial boxes of factory ammo, in the appropriate caliber (.308 Win.) I mounted a scope I had lying around, and proceeded to shoot the rifle. I fired some of the 150 gr reloads, and some of the 180 gr reloads, some factory 180's, and also threw in some ammo that I had lying around, including some federal permium 165's, and some factory ammo in both 150 and some old military match 165's and some old military ball 150's. Each type of ammo printed under 2" at 100 yards, and some of the stuff printed 3/4 inch. Finally, after keeping one target from each type of ammo, and labeling each with the specifics, I filled a clip with a mixed bag of ONE FROM EACH BOX that he had given me, and topped it off with one military match round; so the clip had 2 DIFFERENT 180 loads, 2 different 150 loads and a "match" 165. The resulting 5 shot group, measured just under 2 1/2 inches at 100; not bad for a mixed bag of loads! When I took the rifle back, I took it to my COUSIN, not my uncle. His 15 year old son took one look at the piles of targets, and in particular, the one with the 5 DIFFERENT loads and immediately "appropriated" the rifle, WITH MY SPARE SCOPE, for his future deer expeditions! Suffice it to say, it certainly wasnt the RIFLE that created so much "hind quarter damage" all those years! Oh, did I mention my "marksman" cousin is ex-military, too?

11-29-2011, 01:38 PM	#1
reynolds357 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Georgia Posts: 707	People amaze me A while back I bought a virtually new 700 at the pawn shop for a steal. My buddy at the pawn shop told me they sold it to him because they say it wont zero in. It had a Chinese scope on it so I figured that was the problem. I put it in the safe and have not thought about it for over a year. This morning, I pulled it out of the safe to mount a new scope on it and immediately discovered why the old one would not zero. It was mounted on what I call "Redfield mounting system." People call it Leupold now, but it was invented by Redfield and to me it will always be Redfield. The knucklehead that mounted the scope had it canted so far out of whack on the base to the left that he did not have enough windage in the scope to compensate for the wonderful job of mounting that he did. -->

11-29-2011, 02:10 PM	#2
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: People amaze me Don't complain! Without idiots, the rest of us would have a much harder time getting a good deal! __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

11-29-2011, 02:11 PM	#3
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: People amaze me Wow, some people are special __________________ Four words to live by: aequitas, veritas, decus, sacrificium

11-29-2011, 02:14 PM	#4
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: People amaze me Old saying, "When ever something is made 'fool proof', along comes a better grade of fool." __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie Last edited by Jim Hauff; 11-29-2011 at 02:17 PM..

11-29-2011, 02:19 PM	#5
Dirtypacman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Merrimac Valley, MA Posts: 908	Re: People amaze me So the real question is what was the bargain you got on the 700, always wanted one myself. __________________ Member HHRG and HSC, NRA Life Member, GOAL Member LTC-A

11-29-2011, 03:23 PM	#6
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: People amaze me Man I wish I cold find deals like that.

11-29-2011, 04:38 PM	#8
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: People amaze me i had a nice older gent come to me one day and ask about getting a scope zero'd similar story .. got him sorted and that one gent has sent me soooo much business , we've a few gun store here that are very cheap but they do lousy work .. so follks buy there now and come to me to sort it all i cant complain eh i'm rather grateful they make a bad rep for themselves ..

11-29-2011, 10:50 PM	#9
3/2 STA SS Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Posts: 1,440	Re: People amaze me I had a buddy that put the scope on backwards and could not figure out why he couldn't hit sh*t....true story. __________________ MORS DE CONTACTUS-DEATH ON CONTACT

11-30-2011, 06:30 AM	#10
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,719	Re: People amaze me Years ago when still gainfully employed the weekends were my only opportunity to go shooting. My range was always crowded and sometimes people were waiting in line to get a shooting bench. Anyway, many times I have watched shooters almost empty their ammo stores trying to get a gun zeroed that the local gun stores had "zeroed" for them in the store. Many were amazed when I removed their bolt and made the sight through the bore match the cross hairs of the scope and how that got them really close on the paper. The point is that most gun stores without a resident gunsmith have no idea how to zero a scope for a customer. Few new shooter understand the concept at all. LDBennett

11-30-2011, 07:37 AM	#11
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: People amaze me Agree with you 100+ LD. The gun store clerk will "Bore sight" yer scope and gun for free. But that is only intended to *"Get you in the ball park",* at best... And make it a little easier for you to zero. If what I say in incorrect... somebody please correct me. __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

11-30-2011, 08:12 AM	#13
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,292	Re: People amaze me It's not that some folks are fools, but more so that some folks just don't know. I have hunted all my life, but I always used open sights. Scopes are still a mystry to me, so I usually have someone else set them up for me. I just don't have all the swell little tools that a gun smith has, so I do the best I can. I have only had four guns in my life that had scopes on them. A Remington Woodsmaster in 30.06, a.22, a 30-30 that I got from my FIL that was already scoped, and I just purchased a Remington 700 that I have put a scope on, and that scope was given to me. Can you put a scope on a rifle, and have it be cock-eyed? I suppose so, and I bet I can do it too! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 11-30-2011 at 08:14 AM..

11-30-2011, 05:12 PM	#16
DidI V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Central Texas Posts: 61	Re: People amaze me Makes ya wonder. I guess if you don't know which end of the scope to look into, or how the whole system works ..... Maybe, just maybe you should not have a gun . . . . At least around me. Might be the same crew that believe the .223 is so bad cause the bullets tumble as they go down range. I guess everyone can't pass the Physics class

11-30-2011, 06:42 PM	#17
hunterfisher V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 271	Re: People amaze me I wish I could find a deal like that.

11-30-2011, 07:15 PM	#18
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: People amaze me Years ago bought a Sako Finnbear Deluxe cheap because the pawn shop though the bolt stop was broken and therefore the bolt would come flying out and kill the shooter. Had to convince them to sell it, sign a waiver, give them a copy of my FFL, the whole deal. Took it home, took the bolt out and rotated the guide back to the correct side of the bolt, and "fixed." __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-01-2011, 09:15 AM	#20
CHW2021 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 467	Re: People amaze me Have some fun and count the people with scope cuts and black eyes from shooting poorly mounted scopes before deer season. The best one I saw had the poor dolt at the gunstore to buy another scope; his zeiss was mounted so close to his eye that it was a wonder he could see thru it at all, he had 2 black eyes and stitches in his forehead. The rifle was a 300 win mag, the poor bugger looked like a raccoon. lucky for him the clerk had pity enough to only take it in back to reposition the scope and charge him $50.00 for the job. I was kindly going to offer to buy that pos scope from the guy.....oh well.

12-06-2011, 10:30 PM	#21
oldbrass V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: WA State Posts: 66	Re: People amaze me He might as well been shooting snap caps, congrats on your rifle.

12-06-2011, 10:47 PM	#22
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: People amaze me I got my Browning A-Bolt II from a guy at work who got it from another co-worker who said it didn't shoot "worth a damn" and missed 2 deer with it he said "yeah I bore sighted this gun for Steve at the shop and told him to be sure to put it on paper before he shot it, he missed 2 deer wonder if he ever put it on paper?" it had a 30 dollar tasco 3x9x50 he said let's shoot it so he set up a target at 135 yds I shot it twice and he shot it once and a dime would cover all 3 shots without the edges showing it was 6" high and 8" to the right __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11 Last edited by H-D; 12-06-2011 at 10:48 PM..

12-06-2011, 10:49 PM	#23
Brisk44 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,747	Re: People amaze me Glad to hear you got a super deal.

12-06-2011, 10:50 PM	#24
whymememe Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: FEMA Region IV Contributor Posts: 1,445	Re: People amaze me Some people have all the Luck. Huh, guys?

12-07-2011, 04:40 AM	#25
Inthewind1976 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Pennsylvania Posts: 533	Re: People amaze me Many years ago, my uncle purchased a Savage 99C Deluxe for my cousin (his son) and my cousin mounted a "top end" Bushnell on the rifle, and proceeded over the next 10 years to shoot quite a few whitetail in the hind quarters. The story each time, was that he had aimed at the neck, and couldnt understand why he had clipped the dear in the rump. He eventually decided that the rifle "wouldnt shoot" and told my uncle to put it in HIS gun cabinet and he never wanted to see it again. The rifle sat in the cabinet, sans the scope, for many years, and my cousin tied up the better part of a grand in a new stainless rifle that he hunted with from that point on. After quite a few years, during a casual conversation about god knows what, my uncle asked me to mount one of my spare scopes on the 99 and see if it, in deed, was "inaccurate." In addition, he gave me two boxes of reloads, and two partial boxes of factory ammo, in the appropriate caliber (.308 Win.) I mounted a scope I had lying around, and proceeded to shoot the rifle. I fired some of the 150 gr reloads, and some of the 180 gr reloads, some factory 180's, and also threw in some ammo that I had lying around, including some federal permium 165's, and some factory ammo in both 150 and some old military match 165's and some old military ball 150's. Each type of ammo printed under 2" at 100 yards, and some of the stuff printed 3/4 inch. Finally, after keeping one target from each type of ammo, and labeling each with the specifics, I filled a clip with a mixed bag of ONE FROM EACH BOX that he had given me, and topped it off with one military match round; so the clip had 2 DIFFERENT 180 loads, 2 different 150 loads and a "match" 165. The resulting 5 shot group, measured just under 2 1/2 inches at 100; not bad for a mixed bag of loads! When I took the rifle back, I took it to my COUSIN, not my uncle. His 15 year old son took one look at the piles of targets, and in particular, the one with the 5 DIFFERENT loads and immediately "appropriated" the rifle, WITH MY SPARE SCOPE, for his future deer expeditions! Suffice it to say, it certainly wasnt the RIFLE that created so much "hind quarter damage" all those years! Oh, did I mention my "marksman" cousin is ex-military, too?