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hash · 12-29-2011, 05:54 PM

Hello everybody I'm new to the forums, gotta say its a wonderful site. But I'm here today to get help in identifying this percussion cap rifle. It has a total length of about 39 in a barrel length of 25.5 in octagonal exterior with a 6 groove rifling. I dont know where the rifle came from as it was purchased at a garage sale by my father in law. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Little Rooster · 01-13-2012, 09:45 AM

any visiable markings on the metal?

hash · 01-13-2012, 10:03 AM

No marking or stamps on the metal or wood of any kind. I've completly disassembled it in search before I posted.

hash · 01-13-2012, 10:03 AM

Off topic question u live by odu in va?

Little Rooster · 01-13-2012, 03:55 PM

odu? University no

DesertRose · 01-15-2012, 08:14 PM

Looks like someone was attempting a restoration process a la "Mountain Rifle". Have you tried miking the bore to see what caliber it is? Can you take a shot of the opposite side to show the hammer better?

The ramrod is not long enough by the way.

dustydog · 01-16-2012, 05:41 AM

By the off side screw plate for the lock (one screw passing thru to the lockplate)and the type of serrations on the hammer,an old Markwell Arms rifle that someone cut the barrel back about 6".Wood in the stock and the sheetmetal nosecap look like one I had a couple of years ago.

dustydog · 01-16-2012, 09:14 PM

Oh,by the way,can be pretty sure of this if you take the lock out of the stock and post a picture of the inside of the lock and the mortice in the wood where it fits.

BETH · 01-16-2012, 09:19 PM

welcome to the forum hash

hash · 01-17-2012, 12:16 PM

@little rooster yes old dominion university in va, i was aking because i used to live out there

@desertrose yes i know the ramrod is nowhere near long enough, and from paper shading of the barrel ive figured it to be around a .50 cal, and if the previous owners tried to do restoration work on it im not sure but i know my father in law hadnt, its been sitting by a water heater in the garage for 15+ years.

@dustydog i dont belive its been cut, theres no marring at the end and its still slightly rounded not squared, although i could be wrong.

@beth thanks for the welcome

for those pics ill try and get them up soon ive just been a bit busy, and the infantry in me might have messed up, when i first found the rifle it had flaky rust on the barrel and was scratched down to the steel. ive cleaned it off and am looking to re patina it properly any suggestions

dustydog · 01-17-2012, 01:55 PM

saltwater rust browning,followed by hot oil,followed by beeswax.Curious,noticed you referrenced ODU,Are you in Virginia?

hash · 01-17-2012, 02:00 PM

No I no longer live in va. I lived in norfolk from 00-04 and moved to richmond till 07 when I joined the army. I'm out now and live in ca.

Curtis R · 02-12-2012, 12:54 PM

nice rifle. I have the same problem, I want to clean them up and do a terrable job messing up the patina

12-29-2011, 05:54 PM	#1
hash Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5	another help me identify Hello everybody I'm new to the forums, gotta say its a wonderful site. But I'm here today to get help in identifying this percussion cap rifle. It has a total length of about 39 in a barrel length of 25.5 in octagonal exterior with a 6 groove rifling. I dont know where the rifle came from as it was purchased at a garage sale by my father in law. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Attached Images -->

01-13-2012, 09:45 AM	#2
Little Rooster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Old Dominion Posts: 564	Re: another help me identify any visiable markings on the metal? __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know Victory Nor Defeat" Teddy Roosevelt

01-13-2012, 10:03 AM	#3
hash Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5	Re: another help me identify No marking or stamps on the metal or wood of any kind. I've completly disassembled it in search before I posted.

01-13-2012, 10:03 AM	#4
hash Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5	Re: another help me identify Off topic question u live by odu in va?

01-13-2012, 03:55 PM	#5
Little Rooster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Old Dominion Posts: 564	Re: another help me identify odu? University no __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know Victory Nor Defeat" Teddy Roosevelt Last edited by Little Rooster; 01-13-2012 at 03:56 PM..

01-15-2012, 08:14 PM	#6
DesertRose V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 55	Re: another help me identify Looks like someone was attempting a restoration process a la "Mountain Rifle". Have you tried miking the bore to see what caliber it is? Can you take a shot of the opposite side to show the hammer better? The ramrod is not long enough by the way. __________________ Wit needs the wanderer in foreign lands, At home, all is easy

01-16-2012, 05:41 AM	#7
dustydog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 209	Re: another help me identify By the off side screw plate for the lock (one screw passing thru to the lockplate)and the type of serrations on the hammer,an old Markwell Arms rifle that someone cut the barrel back about 6".Wood in the stock and the sheetmetal nosecap look like one I had a couple of years ago. __________________ EVOLVE,D**N IT! "Lee,you are a man without a country.A gun loving,agnostic,Objectivist social liberal that beleves in personal responsibility.Let's go shoot."Jim Kiley,co-founder of the New England Lead Biscuit Society,1992

01-16-2012, 09:14 PM	#8
dustydog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 209	Re: another help me identify Oh,by the way,can be pretty sure of this if you take the lock out of the stock and post a picture of the inside of the lock and the mortice in the wood where it fits. __________________ EVOLVE,D**N IT! "Lee,you are a man without a country.A gun loving,agnostic,Objectivist social liberal that beleves in personal responsibility.Let's go shoot."Jim Kiley,co-founder of the New England Lead Biscuit Society,1992

01-16-2012, 09:19 PM	#9
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,686	Re: another help me identify welcome to the forum hash

01-17-2012, 12:16 PM	#10
hash Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5	Re: another help me identify @little rooster yes old dominion university in va, i was aking because i used to live out there @desertrose yes i know the ramrod is nowhere near long enough, and from paper shading of the barrel ive figured it to be around a .50 cal, and if the previous owners tried to do restoration work on it im not sure but i know my father in law hadnt, its been sitting by a water heater in the garage for 15+ years. @dustydog i dont belive its been cut, theres no marring at the end and its still slightly rounded not squared, although i could be wrong. @beth thanks for the welcome for those pics ill try and get them up soon ive just been a bit busy, and the infantry in me might have messed up, when i first found the rifle it had flaky rust on the barrel and was scratched down to the steel. ive cleaned it off and am looking to re patina it properly any suggestions

01-17-2012, 01:55 PM	#11
dustydog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 209	Re: another help me identify saltwater rust browning,followed by hot oil,followed by beeswax.Curious,noticed you referrenced ODU,Are you in Virginia? __________________ EVOLVE,D**N IT! "Lee,you are a man without a country.A gun loving,agnostic,Objectivist social liberal that beleves in personal responsibility.Let's go shoot."Jim Kiley,co-founder of the New England Lead Biscuit Society,1992

01-17-2012, 02:00 PM	#12
hash Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5	Re: another help me identify No I no longer live in va. I lived in norfolk from 00-04 and moved to richmond till 07 when I joined the army. I'm out now and live in ca.

02-12-2012, 12:54 PM	#13
Curtis R V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: N.C. Posts: 289	Re: another help me identify nice rifle. I have the same problem, I want to clean them up and do a terrable job messing up the patina