Remington Model 11 - The Firearms Forum

Ricky989 · 12-30-2011, 09:12 PM

Hi guys
I couple years ago I inherented a Remington Model 11 from my great grandfather. Took it hunting a couple times and to a couple shooting compititions.. SHOOTS GREAT!! But unfortunately the last time I shot it the forend stock split right down the middle and I need to get it replaced. I realize that since the gun was manufactured in January of 1922 finding parts wasn't gonna be easy...so I started by going to my local gunsmith. He looked at it and told me that he isn't allowed to work on my gun AT ALL because it's missing a "nylon bushing" that is a required safety feature. I'll be honest I don't know alot about gun parts but I'm eager to learn... All I know is.. I have an awesome gun that I can't get fixed because of a "liability" issue. I asked him if he could install a bushing for me and he said that NO gunsmith will touch my gun if the bushing isn't already in there... I don't really have to knowlage to take the gun apart and install one myself... Anyone have any suggestions on what to do about the bushing and/or finding a replacement forend stock?

Thanks Ricky

StoneChimney · 12-30-2011, 09:29 PM

Horse pucky. That's just embarrassing (not for you, to the idiot "gunsmith").

Taking an unsafe gun and making it safe is exactly what a gunsmith is supposed to do.

The only "nylon bushing" in the gun is a fiber cushion that is riveted in place. It is NOT a do-it-yourself job. We are in Texas and can handle that repair, replace the forend and generally go through the gun to make sure everything else is OK. Just click on our user name on the left side of this post to send a Private Message or contact us through our website HERE.

Ricky989 · 12-30-2011, 09:43 PM

Would that be an expensive procedure? And I live a few hours away... Would it be something that could be done in a short amount of time? Or would I have to drop it off for a while?

Helix_FR · 12-30-2011, 09:46 PM

You just got a classic answer from a gunsmith that knows nothing about that gun. Thats a total line of BS and he had to make an excuse why he couldn't work on it. Basically he said that if the safety's don't work he won't work on it and the exact reason why you need to take it to a gunsmith. If all we did was do mods on working guns, we'd be all out of business.

Helix_FR · 12-30-2011, 09:47 PM

Contact JLA too if SC is a drive for you. He's a smith out of Josua Tx just south of FW.

StoneChimney · 12-30-2011, 09:57 PM

We would need the gun for a couple of weeks. Can't put it ahead of the folks that have been waiting the last couple of weeks, after all.

It would be a ship-in/ship-out deal which we do all the time. Ball park estimate is $100 plus return shipping but we would send you an exact quote once we get inside it. I'm suspicious of the friction piece and ring as well.

Ricky989 · 12-30-2011, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix_FR

Contact JLA too if SC is a drive for you. He's a smith out of Josua Tx just south of FW.

Thanks man, what is JLA? I was looking up a gunsmith in Joshua and didn't see anything? And SC you sound like a pretty stand up guy... If I can't find the parts or service I need I'll head your direction.

Helix_FR · 12-30-2011, 10:06 PM

JLA is a forum moderator. he works out of a place called Off Duty if I remember correctly. He'll chime in I'm sure. Not that I'm trying to take work from SC, I know he can do it but I know its a drive.

Lanrezac · 12-30-2011, 10:45 PM

Is the Remington Model 11 the Remington version of the Browning Auto-5? Or is it that older semi-auto shotgun with checkering on the barrel for cocking? Because if it is the Auto-5 clone, that gunsmith is really sad.

JLA · 12-30-2011, 10:51 PM

Burleson Great Guns actually Helix. But I do venture into Jims place at Off Duty from time to time.

Ricky, it sounds to me like you went to visit Murle in Granbury or the folks at Elk Castle. Either smith just wants the easy work. Trigger jobs, clean ups and factory ship offs and such.

I dont remember ever laying my hands on a rem 11 in my smithin career (mostly 11-48s and 11-87s and the modern 1100) but Id be glad to try and help you out.

JLA · 12-30-2011, 10:54 PM

heres the rem 11.

Lanrezac · 12-30-2011, 11:12 PM

Wow, that is the Auto-5 copy! (I apologize for asking here instead of doing a Google search.) If that "gunsmith" can't work on that, what can he work on?

BillM · 12-30-2011, 11:16 PM

Just a FYI to show how full of $%&T the gunsmith is---Your gun was built
in 1922 and is missing a nylon part? Nylon wasn't invented until 1935.

StoneChimney · 12-31-2011, 06:47 AM

It is not nylon, it is compressed fiber. The Remington 11 has them, the Browning A5 does not. The fiber cushion is secured to the inside rear of the receiver with a blind rivet. When I've seen these broken there is usually a fragment of the old buffer still riveted to the receiver.

With the cracked forend and the broken/missing fiber cushion I really suspect the gun was fired extensively with either the friction pieces placed incorrectly and/or the magazine tube oiled. Whoever works on this gun also needs to carefully inspect the bolt for cracks.

JLA · 12-31-2011, 07:43 AM

yep. think of it as an ancient shock buffer for the bolt to bump into as the action cycles.

Ricky989 · 12-31-2011, 07:59 AM

You guys are awesome!! JLA if your in your shop today I'd like to come by. And it was Elk Castle, some guy bout 30 years old with a mustache. He was really short with me and seemed eager to get back to what he was working on. Not trying to get him in trouble but he could use a talkin to... Felt pretty disrespected... I guess it comes with being 22yo. I also did some research and I believe it is pretty close to the A-5. It has browning patents October 9th 1900, Dec 17th 1901, Sept 30 1902, and June 16th 1903. The stock looks identical so I hope finding one will be a little easier. SC thank you so much for your help and advice, if the opportunity comes across I'll recommend your services.

JLA · 12-31-2011, 08:42 AM

Ricky, is it a 3 shot magazine capacity or has it been converted to 5 shot? 12 ga. correct?

JLA · 12-31-2011, 09:03 AM

That smith over at elk castle isnt much older than I am, I have met him a couple times. He doesnt know I am also a gunsmith, when i do go in there its just to grab reloading supplies, I tend to keep that one under my hat so I can see how full of S*** other smiths are when they are talking to what seems to be another impressionable gun enthusiast.

The few times I have met him and picked his brain a little he specializes in clean ups, scope mounting and bore sighting and trigger jobs. Most everyone ive spoke with that has used them for repair they usually try to send the weapon back to the factory for repair and they pass the cost on to the customer with a markup of course. Not a bad guy, just not willing to learn the hard stuff i guess.

JLA · 12-31-2011, 09:12 AM

Also, one more question.. If he didnt want to mess with it and 'wouldnt touch it' then howd he get it far enough apart to see that the buffer was missing? Or is that just something that got assumed from the OP?

The 'Nylon Bushing' im thinking has got to be the Shock Absorber that fits under the forestock around the magazine tube, it was a stock upgrade only. Only the later models had that modification it looks like. the early 3 shot and some of the 5 shot models didnt have the shock absorber and is why the stock broke in the first place.

Just trying to figure what exactly is goin on with it so i can check on parts. So far looks like I can get the parts to fix it back up.

StoneChimney · 12-31-2011, 09:14 AM

Then Elk Castle shouldn't claim a gunsmith. Usually they tell the customer their gun "can't be fixed."

You can see the fiber buffer with the bolt closed by looking behind the bolt with a light. You may be right about the shock absorbing "bushing." Those were originally made of wood, not nylon. Numrich has these made for them and they install them in their replacement forend. They have in the past used commercial polyethylene 1" pipe - hopefully they have a better OEM solution than that.

BUT, if THAT is the issue that kept this hack from working on the shotgun Elk Castle is in even sadder shape than I thought.

JLA · 12-31-2011, 09:20 AM

I agree, they shouldnt. But I guess since he wears a brownells apron then he looks legit and they get to charge gunsmith prices. Thats the same story with most of the gunsmiths in this area. Most of them will do clean ups and mount scopes and call themselves smiths. But something more technical like a rem 700 with a headspace issue gets sent down the road.

StoneChimney · 12-31-2011, 09:30 AM

I wear a Home Depot apron. Can I get contractor prices?

JLA · 12-31-2011, 09:34 AM

I dont wear an apron at all. just a pocket T and whatever goofy shorts i put on. Guess that means I cant charge anything..

Helix_FR · 12-31-2011, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoneChimney

I wear a Home Depot apron. Can I get contractor prices?

Hah, nice and I agree too. I dont even wear a apron, guess thats why my shirts all have holes in them right around my stomach area.

Ricky989 · 12-31-2011, 01:16 PM

It's a 5 shot, when I went in there he told me that the old model 11s are usually missing the nylon bushing... I asked him if he can atleast look to see if it is there, so he took it back in his shop and 30 seconds later he came back and told me it was missing. JLA I should be coming by your shop in about an hour... Who do I ask for?

12-30-2011, 09:12 PM	#1
Ricky989 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 7	Remington Model 11 Hi guys I couple years ago I inherented a Remington Model 11 from my great grandfather. Took it hunting a couple times and to a couple shooting compititions.. SHOOTS GREAT!! But unfortunately the last time I shot it the forend stock split right down the middle and I need to get it replaced. I realize that since the gun was manufactured in January of 1922 finding parts wasn't gonna be easy...so I started by going to my local gunsmith. He looked at it and told me that he isn't allowed to work on my gun AT ALL because it's missing a "nylon bushing" that is a required safety feature. I'll be honest I don't know alot about gun parts but I'm eager to learn... All I know is.. I have an awesome gun that I can't get fixed because of a "liability" issue. I asked him if he could install a bushing for me and he said that NO gunsmith will touch my gun if the bushing isn't already in there... I don't really have to knowlage to take the gun apart and install one myself... Anyone have any suggestions on what to do about the bushing and/or finding a replacement forend stock? Thanks Ricky -->

12-30-2011, 09:29 PM	#2
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Remington Model 11 Horse pucky. That's just embarrassing (not for you, to the idiot "gunsmith"). Taking an unsafe gun and making it safe is exactly what a gunsmith is supposed to do. The only "nylon bushing" in the gun is a fiber cushion that is riveted in place. It is NOT a do-it-yourself job. We are in Texas and can handle that repair, replace the forend and generally go through the gun to make sure everything else is OK. Just click on our user name on the left side of this post to send a Private Message or contact us through our website HERE. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-30-2011, 09:43 PM	#3
Ricky989 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 7	Re: Remington Model 11 Would that be an expensive procedure? And I live a few hours away... Would it be something that could be done in a short amount of time? Or would I have to drop it off for a while?

12-30-2011, 09:46 PM	#4
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: Remington Model 11 You just got a classic answer from a gunsmith that knows nothing about that gun. Thats a total line of BS and he had to make an excuse why he couldn't work on it. Basically he said that if the safety's don't work he won't work on it and the exact reason why you need to take it to a gunsmith. If all we did was do mods on working guns, we'd be all out of business. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

12-30-2011, 09:47 PM	#5
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: Remington Model 11 Contact JLA too if SC is a drive for you. He's a smith out of Josua Tx just south of FW. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

12-30-2011, 09:57 PM	#6
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Remington Model 11 We would need the gun for a couple of weeks. Can't put it ahead of the folks that have been waiting the last couple of weeks, after all. It would be a ship-in/ship-out deal which we do all the time. Ball park estimate is $100 plus return shipping but we would send you an exact quote once we get inside it. I'm suspicious of the friction piece and ring as well. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-30-2011, 10:06 PM	#8
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: Remington Model 11 JLA is a forum moderator. he works out of a place called Off Duty if I remember correctly. He'll chime in I'm sure. Not that I'm trying to take work from SC, I know he can do it but I know its a drive. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

12-30-2011, 10:45 PM	#9
Lanrezac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 685	Re: Remington Model 11 Is the Remington Model 11 the Remington version of the Browning Auto-5? Or is it that older semi-auto shotgun with checkering on the barrel for cocking? Because if it is the Auto-5 clone, that gunsmith is really sad.

12-30-2011, 10:51 PM	#10
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 Burleson Great Guns actually Helix. But I do venture into Jims place at Off Duty from time to time. Ricky, it sounds to me like you went to visit Murle in Granbury or the folks at Elk Castle. Either smith just wants the easy work. Trigger jobs, clean ups and factory ship offs and such. I dont remember ever laying my hands on a rem 11 in my smithin career (mostly 11-48s and 11-87s and the modern 1100) but Id be glad to try and help you out. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF! Last edited by JLA; 12-30-2011 at 10:53 PM..

12-30-2011, 10:54 PM	#11
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 heres the rem 11. Attached Images __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-30-2011, 11:12 PM	#12
Lanrezac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 685	Re: Remington Model 11 Wow, that is the Auto-5 copy! (I apologize for asking here instead of doing a Google search.) If that "gunsmith" can't work on that, what can he work on?

12-30-2011, 11:16 PM	#13
BillM V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Amity Orygun Posts: 380	Re: Remington Model 11 Just a FYI to show how full of $%&T the gunsmith is---Your gun was built in 1922 and is missing a nylon part? Nylon wasn't invented until 1935.

12-31-2011, 06:47 AM	#14
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Remington Model 11 It is not nylon, it is compressed fiber. The Remington 11 has them, the Browning A5 does not. The fiber cushion is secured to the inside rear of the receiver with a blind rivet. When I've seen these broken there is usually a fragment of the old buffer still riveted to the receiver. With the cracked forend and the broken/missing fiber cushion I really suspect the gun was fired extensively with either the friction pieces placed incorrectly and/or the magazine tube oiled. Whoever works on this gun also needs to carefully inspect the bolt for cracks. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website! Last edited by StoneChimney; 12-31-2011 at 07:05 AM..

12-31-2011, 07:43 AM	#15
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 yep. think of it as an ancient shock buffer for the bolt to bump into as the action cycles. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-31-2011, 07:59 AM	#16
Ricky989 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 7	Re: Remington Model 11 You guys are awesome!! JLA if your in your shop today I'd like to come by. And it was Elk Castle, some guy bout 30 years old with a mustache. He was really short with me and seemed eager to get back to what he was working on. Not trying to get him in trouble but he could use a talkin to... Felt pretty disrespected... I guess it comes with being 22yo. I also did some research and I believe it is pretty close to the A-5. It has browning patents October 9th 1900, Dec 17th 1901, Sept 30 1902, and June 16th 1903. The stock looks identical so I hope finding one will be a little easier. SC thank you so much for your help and advice, if the opportunity comes across I'll recommend your services.

12-31-2011, 08:42 AM	#17
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 Ricky, is it a 3 shot magazine capacity or has it been converted to 5 shot? 12 ga. correct? __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-31-2011, 09:03 AM	#18
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 That smith over at elk castle isnt much older than I am, I have met him a couple times. He doesnt know I am also a gunsmith, when i do go in there its just to grab reloading supplies, I tend to keep that one under my hat so I can see how full of S*** other smiths are when they are talking to what seems to be another impressionable gun enthusiast. The few times I have met him and picked his brain a little he specializes in clean ups, scope mounting and bore sighting and trigger jobs. Most everyone ive spoke with that has used them for repair they usually try to send the weapon back to the factory for repair and they pass the cost on to the customer with a markup of course. Not a bad guy, just not willing to learn the hard stuff i guess. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-31-2011, 09:12 AM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 Also, one more question.. If he didnt want to mess with it and 'wouldnt touch it' then howd he get it far enough apart to see that the buffer was missing? Or is that just something that got assumed from the OP? The 'Nylon Bushing' im thinking has got to be the Shock Absorber that fits under the forestock around the magazine tube, it was a stock upgrade only. Only the later models had that modification it looks like. the early 3 shot and some of the 5 shot models didnt have the shock absorber and is why the stock broke in the first place. Just trying to figure what exactly is goin on with it so i can check on parts. So far looks like I can get the parts to fix it back up. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF! Last edited by JLA; 12-31-2011 at 09:15 AM..

12-31-2011, 09:14 AM	#20
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Remington Model 11 Then Elk Castle shouldn't claim a gunsmith. Usually they tell the customer their gun "can't be fixed." You can see the fiber buffer with the bolt closed by looking behind the bolt with a light. You may be right about the shock absorbing "bushing." Those were originally made of wood, not nylon. Numrich has these made for them and they install them in their replacement forend. They have in the past used commercial polyethylene 1" pipe - hopefully they have a better OEM solution than that. BUT, if THAT is the issue that kept this hack from working on the shotgun Elk Castle is in even sadder shape than I thought. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website! Last edited by StoneChimney; 12-31-2011 at 09:24 AM..

12-31-2011, 09:20 AM	#21
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 I agree, they shouldnt. But I guess since he wears a brownells apron then he looks legit and they get to charge gunsmith prices. Thats the same story with most of the gunsmiths in this area. Most of them will do clean ups and mount scopes and call themselves smiths. But something more technical like a rem 700 with a headspace issue gets sent down the road. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-31-2011, 09:30 AM	#22
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Remington Model 11 I wear a Home Depot apron. Can I get contractor prices? __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-31-2011, 09:34 AM	#23
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Remington Model 11 I dont wear an apron at all. just a pocket T and whatever goofy shorts i put on. Guess that means I cant charge anything.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-31-2011, 01:16 PM	#25
Ricky989 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 7	Re: Remington Model 11 It's a 5 shot, when I went in there he told me that the old model 11s are usually missing the nylon bushing... I asked him if he can atleast look to see if it is there, so he took it back in his shop and 30 seconds later he came back and told me it was missing. JLA I should be coming by your shop in about an hour... Who do I ask for?