need help and advice

88m · 01-01-2012, 12:18 PM

i am trying to learn the difference between a semi automatic and an automatic, the difference in which i am speaking of would are the trigger mechanisms.. is that the only difference in the transition from semi to automatic? or is there something else i need to know? what parts do i need? and where can i get these parts? the firearm i am converting is an AR15

Alpo · 01-01-2012, 12:35 PM

Are you in the United States? If you are, what you are suggesting is illegal as hell, and has been since May of 1986.

BobMcG · 01-01-2012, 12:58 PM

Holy crapzola 88m!

Talk about wanting to play with fire. Alpo's right!

Hey Alpo, remember the days when the disconnects (and other parts) were readily available through Shotgun News?

Alpo · 01-01-2012, 01:25 PM

I remember when you could buy a new MP5 for 500 dollars. Ahh, missed chances.

July 1980. The guy at the gun shop convinces me that I do NOT want to buy that 1928 Thompson, for 450 bucks, because I do not want to have to mess with the Federal paperwork. In January 1998, my 1928 Thompson cost me five grand.

And in January of 04, my MP5 cost twelve.

Jim K · 01-01-2012, 08:41 PM

I bought M1928 TSMG's for $75, M1 TSMG's for $65, STENs for $9.95, M3 SMGs for $12.95, and BARs for $79. All DEWAT's. In the 1968 amnesty, I opened up and registered the stuff I still had. A year or so ago I sold my auto weapons for what I will only describe as a profit. I opposed the 1986 law, but have to admit I made some money from it.

Jim

Helix_FR · 01-01-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 88m

i am trying to learn the difference between a semi automatic and an automatic, the difference in which i am speaking of would are the trigger mechanisms.. is that the only difference in the transition from semi to automatic? or is there something else i need to know? what parts do i need? and where can i get these parts? the firearm i am converting is an AR15

First get your C&R and then pay for your ATF tax stamp to own a automatic then we could get into it.

Alpo · 01-01-2012, 09:46 PM

Helix, first, what does he need a C&R for? Second, you pay the tax on the gun, so you need to get the gun all set up before you do the tax. And third, he wants to convert, and you can't that any more.

StoneChimney · 01-02-2012, 07:23 AM

Alpo is correct. An individual can not manufacture a machine gun since May 1986. This includes "conversion" of a semi-automatic rifle, regardless of when that semi-automatic rifle was originally manufactured.

We build registered M-16 rifles but they can only be sold to a law-enforcement agency (not to individual officers), a government agency or to a NFA dealer who can produce documentation of a demo request by a law-enforcement or government agency.

A Curio & Relic license would have no bearing, and an individual cannot get a tax stamp for any fully automatic weapon manufactured after 1986. What the original poster is suggesting is illegal.

Helix_FR · 01-02-2012, 07:57 AM

nevermind, didnt read into it enough

StoneChimney · 01-02-2012, 08:26 AM

And isn't it interesting that the OP hasn't been back to the thread, and one of his other two posts have been wanting to buy ballistic plates for his 'new vest.'

Maybe its just up-and-up genuine questions...

01-01-2012, 12:18 PM	#1
88m Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1	need help and advice i am trying to learn the difference between a semi automatic and an automatic, the difference in which i am speaking of would are the trigger mechanisms.. is that the only difference in the transition from semi to automatic? or is there something else i need to know? what parts do i need? and where can i get these parts? the firearm i am converting is an AR15 -->

01-01-2012, 12:35 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,647	Re: need help and advice Are you in the United States? If you are, what you are suggesting is illegal as hell, and has been since May of 1986. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

01-01-2012, 12:58 PM	#3
BobMcG Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Twilight Zone. Contributor Posts: 1,119	Re: need help and advice Holy crapzola 88m! Talk about wanting to play with fire. Alpo's right! Hey Alpo, remember the days when the disconnects (and other parts) were readily available through Shotgun News?

01-01-2012, 01:25 PM	#4
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,647	Re: need help and advice I remember when you could buy a new MP5 for 500 dollars. Ahh, missed chances. July 1980. The guy at the gun shop convinces me that I do NOT want to buy that 1928 Thompson, for 450 bucks, because I do not want to have to mess with the Federal paperwork. In January 1998, my 1928 Thompson cost me five grand. And in January of 04, my MP5 cost twelve. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

01-01-2012, 08:41 PM	#5
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: need help and advice I bought M1928 TSMG's for $75, M1 TSMG's for $65, STENs for $9.95, M3 SMGs for $12.95, and BARs for $79. All DEWAT's. In the 1968 amnesty, I opened up and registered the stuff I still had. A year or so ago I sold my auto weapons for what I will only describe as a profit. I opposed the 1986 law, but have to admit I made some money from it. Jim

01-01-2012, 09:46 PM	#7
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,647	Re: need help and advice Helix, first, what does he need a C&R for? Second, you pay the tax on the gun, so you need to get the gun all set up before you do the tax. And third, he wants to convert, and you can't that any more. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

01-02-2012, 07:23 AM	#8
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: need help and advice Alpo is correct. An individual can not manufacture a machine gun since May 1986. This includes "conversion" of a semi-automatic rifle, regardless of when that semi-automatic rifle was originally manufactured. We build registered M-16 rifles but they can only be sold to a law-enforcement agency (not to individual officers), a government agency or to a NFA dealer who can produce documentation of a demo request by a law-enforcement or government agency. A Curio & Relic license would have no bearing, and an individual cannot get a tax stamp for any fully automatic weapon manufactured after 1986. What the original poster is suggesting is illegal. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website! Last edited by StoneChimney; 01-02-2012 at 07:26 AM..

01-02-2012, 07:57 AM	#9
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,617	Re: need help and advice nevermind, didnt read into it enough __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

01-02-2012, 08:26 AM	#10
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: need help and advice And isn't it interesting that the OP hasn't been back to the thread, and one of his other two posts have been wanting to buy ballistic plates for his 'new vest.' Maybe its just up-and-up genuine questions... __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website! Last edited by StoneChimney; 01-02-2012 at 08:29 AM..