1860 Colt Army pistol

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  1. Gibby2

    Gibby2 New Member

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    What should I do, I have recently found what appears to be an 1860 Colt Army Pistol that looks to be in excellent condition. How should it be stored? Should I lightly oil the gun? WHat are the initials on the handle, Are they for the owner or Colt himself?


    Any insight or advise would be greatly appreciated.
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  2. warpig

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    need more info

    It could be a reproduction or it could be a real Colt.

    Can you tell us all the markings on the gun? Is the frame brass or steel?
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    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

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    Hi Gibby2.....welcome to TFF.

    First, let's determine if the gun is an original or reproduction.

    To do that, we'll need ALL of the writing on the gun.

    And...we'll need a better description of it's condition...% of bluing left, any dings or dents, condition of the bore, etc.

    If you can post some pictures, it would be helpful.

    In the meantime, you can clean the bore and cylinder chambers with a bore brush and a good bore cleaner....run some patches thru to dry it out, and oil lightly with a quality gun oil.

    Wipe off the outside of the gun with a clean, dry rag, and oil lightly and store in a dry place.
  4. Gibby2

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    Thanks for responding, here are some pics of the handgun.
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    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

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    Where are the pictures?

    Also, can you give us all of the writing and markings on the gun?
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    Xracer, Thanks for replying

    111215 is on the bottom of the barrel and the steel part of the trigger and the brass part has 52665 in front of the trigger, it has an H behind the trigger, 111215 stamped on the steel at bottom of the grip.

    Looks like Patent #: 1215 Pat Sept 10th 1855 on the chamber (name for part?)

    Along the top of the barrel, Address Col Sam l Colt New York US America. Not sure of the middle initial could be a small L or E.

    There are two G's on the safety screw side of the barrel same side just above the trigger it says Colts Patent.

    There are 3 initials on the wooden part of the handle, it looks as though they are WBR or WBK.

    How do I attach pictures? I tried yesterday and would really like to show you this handgun.

    Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
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    OK, Gibby....this is starting to get interesting!

    The serial # and markings seem to check, but the trigger guard doesn't match the rest of the gun.

    Sounds like this just might be a genuine Model 1860 Army with a mis-matched trigger guard.

    Is there a roll engraving on the cylinder, or perchance, is the cylinder fluted?

    Can you post pictures showing the entire gun, from the right and left sides?

    Can you give us the general condition of the revolver....is there any finish on it. Any pits, dings, dents, rust, etc. To a large extent, value will depend on condition.

    Sorry to be playing 20 questions, but there are a bunch of reproductions & fakes out there.

    BTW...the WBK on the handle would be the military inspector's mark.....and...the "l" is not a middle initial, it's "Saml. Colt" short for Samuel Colt.
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    1860 Army Colt

    It looks to be the genuine article, and I have one here to compare it with. Apparently the trigger guard was damaged at some point and was replaced, not a big deal....and only slightly detrimental to value. It would be nice to see an overall photo of this revolver
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    More information

    From some of the other pictures I have seen they all have a brass triger gaurd?

    Sounds like this just might be a genuine Model 1860 Army with a mis-matched trigger guard.

    Is there a roll engraving on the cylinder, or perchance, is the cylinder fluted? *** Not sure what you mean?

    Can you post pictures showing the entire gun, from the right and left sides? *** Trying

    Can you give us the general condition of the revolver....is there any finish on it. Any pits, dings, dents, rust, etc. To a large extent, value will depend on condition. *** Some slight rust on the barrel minor pits, very small chip out of the front of the wooden part of the handle.

    Sorry to be playing 20 questions, but there are a bunch of reproductions & fakes out there. *** fun to learn, I appreciate the input

    BTW...the WBK on the handle would be the military inspector's mark.....and...the "l" is not a middle initial, it's "Saml. Colt" short for Samuel Colt. *** Thanks for the clarification.
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    This is getting to be fun, Gibby!

    "From some of the other pictures I have seen they all have a brass triger gaurd?"

    Yup, they all had a brass Trigger guard. The frame numbers and the number on the trigger guard should match....apparently your trigger guard was replaced at one time or another. No big deal. As AO says, lowers the value just a little.

    "Is there a roll engraving on the cylinder, or perchance, is the cylinder fluted? *** Not sure what you mean?"

    Most of the 1860's had a round cylinder with a roll engraving of a naval battle scene. Your engraving may have worn off.....that's pretty normal.

    A few....about 4,000 of the 200,500 made had fluted cylinders (and they're worth a bit more), but those were in the first 8,000 serial numbers, so yours wouldn't be in that Serial # range.

    Sounds like you've got a nice Civil War souvenir there.....sure love to see some pix of it.
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    Last attempt.....................

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    Still large but at least you can see more of the gun.......

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