1870 Tower Help

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  1. Hos

    Hos New Member

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    I have a 1870 Tower Musket that is 69 cal. smoothbore unlike Hawke`s it is a 3 band and it has a fixed rear sight, all that is on the lock plate is the crown at the rear and Tower over 1870 just ahead of the hammer, on the trigger guard there is an arrow pointing up with WD then a crown with E under it then an 18 on the bottom, these are in a vertical line, this appears again on the butt plate, R crown M Enfield, broad arrow over 1 in a circle is stamped on the right rear of the stock,there is an 'S' stamped on the barrel opposit the lock ,the gun has been lighty cleaned , any ideas on this?

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  2. deadin

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    We're going to need some pictures on this one. It sounds like a standard Brit military musket except that, as far as I know, they weren't making any .69 caliber smoothbores in 1870. Possibly you have something put together from parts...?
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    Probably had the rifling bored out to use as a shotgun. Many rifled muskets were done that way after the C.W. and more than a few had the stocks cut down also.
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    dup..
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    Were the Brits still making percussion muskets in 1870??
    Maybe for civilian trade to Africa or somewhere but this one sounds like it has military property marks.
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    Hint: The British weren't making any muzzle loading muskets by 1870.

    But the Japanese, and others, were making "Tower" muskets in the 1980's, marked "1870".

    Jim
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    I`ll have to take some pics and upload them, I got this from an old gunsmith that said it was an original, it`s very old though
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    How do I upload pics on my Post?
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    Click on "GO ADVANCED" below the message window, click on "MANAGE ATTACHMENTS", then use the "Browse" button to find and upload files from your computer.

    Jim
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    The Jap ones didn't have the proper markings. Even tho he said musket it's probably a Snider.
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    I posted some pics , they should be visible now
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    pics

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    Well it's no Snider. Can you do a closeup of the lock markings?
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    3 band enfield
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    Some oddities: The "Tower" mark is not right and the date is below "Tower" rather than above it; there is no "V.R" under the crown. The hammer doesn't look right and, as I said, the date does not compute. By 1870, the Snider Mk III (a new rifle, not a conversion) was in production and the Martini was undergoing testing and would be adopted the following year. Muzzle loaders had not been produced since 1866.

    It almost looks like the lockplate has been "scrubbed" and spurious markings put on. It is almost certainly not an original Tower lockplate as it is now.

    I can't fully explain all the anomalies on that gun, but it is not an original, untouched 3-band .577 Enfield and it was not made at Enfield in 1870.

    Jim
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