.223 Ammunition question

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  1. gun runner

    gun runner Former Guest

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    I bought a box of 50 Hornady .223 FMJ Training cartridges.

    I guess the FMJ means full metal jacket? Also does it contain any steel? It says brass but Im getting confused with the word metal although there is alot of different metals but I was just making sure it didnt have any steel in it and is it safe to shoot out of my Savage Model 25 .223 Varminter? Just making sure. I dont really know much about ammunition but I know how to buy guns and spend money :D . Also would you consider this ammo quality and accurate ammo? I only spent $32 for it. Im going to try it out this evening. Thanks for any info
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    It shouldn't have any steel core but a good magnet to the bullet will tell you. I've never shot any so I can't help on the performance part.
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    What grain bullets?
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    55 grain.
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    FMJ = Lead core, copper jacket. The base of the bullet is open to the lead core. This is not the most accurate type of bullet made. Not sure what the "Training" means? Just something different to sell more ammo. Like the "Hornady Zombie Max Ammunition " :D Go to Midwayusa, look at all the different ammo available in 223.
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    Thanks everyone.
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    Hornady® Training™ ammunition provides a cost effective alternative to the standard TAP® loads for tactical training. Loaded with Hornady® bullets and proven propellants coupled with a high quality lacquer-coated steel case and berdan primer, Hornady® Training™ ammunition is designed to deliver point of aim / point of impact consistency when compared to comparable TAP® offerings. Hornady® Training™ Ammunition - an economical, high quality solution for Law Enforcement training.
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    This ammo [below] was steel case ammo....


    "OUR DEPARTMENT HAS EXPERIENCED AMMUNITION FAILURE. THE AMMO IN QUESTION IS HORNADY 223 55GR TRAINING FMJ LOT#3070091. THE ROUNDS EXPLODED IN THE CHAMBER CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE RIFLES. THERE WERE NO INJURIES TO THE OFFICERS. THE WEAPONS WERE FIRED AND THE MAGAZINES EXPLODED AND FELL OUT OF THE WEAPONS. BOTH EXTRACTORS AND BOLT RELEASES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED AND THE SHELL IS LODGED IN THE CHAMBERS. THE AR RIFLES WERE A BUSHMASTER AND A ROCK RIVER. HORNADY HAS BEEN CONTACTED AND ARE AWARE OF THE SITUATION."

    This is the second failure involving this ammo in recent months that I'm aware of. One of our officers recently attended SRT training at the Ohio State patrol academy. During the training an officer using the same ammo, lot# unknown, had the same thing happen.

    for when anyone is curious why shooting steel-cased ammo in an AR is less than optimal. An AR is not an AK, and I believe that the tighter tolerances inherent to the AR system, straight-walled cases, and the variances found in steel-cased ammo make them a bad combination.
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  9. ozo

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    Hornady makes several .223 Training FMJ 55gr
    Check yours for:
    Steel case or Brass
    Berdan or Boxer primer
    Is the projectile a boat-tail
    What is the product # on the box end[#9754EL,80275,etc]
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    Accuracy...hmmm,maybe....fun, sure.
    Your Sav 25V , especially w/three-lug bolt head and 60-degree lift
    should handle this ammo easily.....
    I know it will handle Barnes varmit grenade ultra high velocity.
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    It is 80275 but thanks for telling me! What ammo would you recommend for the weapon? Ive never shot it.
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    The 80275 is a great choice......

    Hornady 80275
    Item: 2-H80275
    UPC: 090255802757

    For Custom grade ammunition from the factory, the look no further than Hornady Custom Ammunition. This ammo is built to the tightest tolerances for ideal and peak performance challenges and sometimes surpassing handloads in most guns. This ammunition is brand new production, non-corrosive, in boxer primed, reloadable brass cases.

    Muzzle velocity: 3240 fps.
    Muzzle energy: 1282 ft/lbs.
    Uses: Target shooting, Training
    50 rounds per box.

    Good ammo.......and a GREAT GUN......
    the only way to BEAT and/or improve on what you already are doing......
    Load your own [my preference, but I am anal] and get a Model 12.......
    the barrel is probably TWICE the thickness of yours.........
    Until then.....you already have it SWEET !
    [P.S. your Sav 25 Varminter will probably shoot ANYTHING
    very, very well......just be cautious about the steel cases
    and the berdan primers, especially if you save your brass
    for a future date........
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    Yeah the number for the ammo I have is 80275. Im going to sell it and get some other brand.
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    Also thanks
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    i found out that these cartridges I bought have a lead bullet with copper covering it so no steel. Also of course its a brass case. When talking about the cartridges exploding or messing up, those were the steel cased ammo right and not the ones I bought?
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