243 Loads anyone?

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  1. myfriendis410

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    It's been my experience that using one of the solid copper offerings usually steps the rifle up a notch in terminal performance. I use the Barnes, haven't shot a hog with it, but probably will at some time. I would expect it to run if chest shot, but I ought to get good penetration using the 80 TTSX handload. It's also accurate enough to whack coyotes a loooong way out there.

    I quit using the Sierra years ago after getting poor performance in hogs. I hate finding an empty jacket under the skin on the off-side or a hole at right angles to the entry wound; both of which have happened to me. If I was shooting a cup-and-core bullet I would use the Nosler Accubond. Nosler guarantees 70% weight retention, but the Barnes promises nearly 100%. It's worked well so far on dozens of hogs and deer.
  2. dbach

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    Now that I'm home and can access my books. The Speer manual calls for the following:

    .243 Winchester
    85 grain Spitz BTSP
    Varget 37.5 to 41.5
    Expected Velocity @ 3268fps

    My bullet is 2 grains heavier, I think Ill start at low range at 37.5 Varget and work my way up. Say five of each at 100 yards .2 grain steps, stopping at 41.5

    I have three books and the Speer is the only one that mentions Varget. Neither Hodgden (Hodgden sells Varget), or Lee mention it. I understand that Varget is actually manufactured by ADI as AR2208. I don't know if thats true or not.

    Also, the book says the casings should measure 2.045" I have new Winchester brass and it measures 2.035". So whats up with that?
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    The 2.045" COAL is the maximum length.
    The "trim-to" length is typically 0.010" shorter than maximum so that's where the 2.035" comes from. You don't need to worry about trimming the brass until it exceeds 2.045".

    Does the current Speer manual list Varget for their 90gr SP? If so, that would be the data I would use.
    87 falls between 85 and 90...in a case like that, my mentors always recommended to use data from the heavier bullet.
    The online Hodgdon manual does have data for the 90gr Speer with Varget.
    Min: 34.0gr 2964fps 44,800cup
    Max: 36.5gr 3106fps 50,400cup
    I would watch very closely for high pressure signs once you get above that 36.0gr mark.

    Varget behaves nearly identical to IMR4064 and it's a little faster burning powder than what I prefer to use in the .243...but that's not to say it doesn't work so if you've already got the powder go ahead and give it a try.
    Like 243winxb, I usually use IMR-4350. Winchester 760 is another favorite powder of mine for the .243 and 6mm also.
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    Varget is a tad fast for the .243, most manuals wont list powders that produced sub standard performance. Id bet youd find data in all 3 for powders like H4350, IMR4350, IMR and H4831, RX19, etc.. The .243 is overbore and is best served with slow powders normally suited to large rifle cartridges.
  5. dbach

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    The Speer book does not list Varget for the 90 grain Spitz SP, only the 70, 75, 80 and 85. Where 760 is listed for all.
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    Crap. : (

    I fooled around and bought the wrong powder. Oh well live and learn. I knew I should have asked here first.

    I guess thats how powder collections come about.
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    You aint kiddn. I have a about a 40 pound collection.

    Do you load any other cartridges with the varget?
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    Only 40 pounds? Hell: I have 40 lbs. of PRIMERS! Maybe I ought to cut down.......
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    I am down to about 12K primers. I really should restock...
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    No. I only load .38, .357, .40, .45 and the .243. I think I'll go after some IMR4350 and call it a day.

    I'll do a little more research and see if my Varget will work on anything else, or maybe trade it to someone here. I used to have HazMat certification to ship things like this when needed, but I let it expire a few years ago. Anyway HazMat shipping is a PITA unless you do it all the time.
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    I have had sucess with Varget and the Barnes bullet got it to group MOA with the .243, but it didn't group as well as H4831sc and H4350...

    edit: since you live in TX you may want to consider Varget because it is completely temp insensitive, it actually decreases chamber pressure slightly as ambient temp increases
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  13. JLA

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    Well if you dont wanna hassle with that, My wifes cousins live just hop away from you in Clute and Freeport. We are gonna go down and fish the gulf here prolly after the holidays are done. Ill shoot you a PM when we head down and if you still have it ill swap you out for a can IMR or H4350. I use alot of Varget. Its great for .308 and 7.62X54R.

    Varget will work good in the .243 but is best suited to light Varmint projectiles.
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    sorry, repeated reply.
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    OK its a deal. I'd like to have some IMR4350 if possible. I'll return your pm with my cell phone number.
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