1. 300 H&H

    300 H&H Active Member

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    Alpo,

    Your firing pin would be long enough. Both of these rimless rounds headspace on the shoulder of the case, identical to both. Aslo 30/03 guns had the barrels removed and cut off at the chamber end, and a new chamber cut. This ended up giving them shorter barrel, a positive way to identify a barrel if not a rifle. Best reguards Kirk
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  2. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

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    You're right. Bottleneck cases headspace on the shoulder. For some damn reason I was thinking they did it on the mouth. Brain fade. :)
  3. 30Gov03

    30Gov03 New Member

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    Hello, I'm new to this forum, but I do have a 30-03. It's a Model 1895 Winchester, short rifle (22-inch barrel, standard was 24-inch for the '03), 83xxx serial range (c.1914 or 1915, depending on who's list you trust). I'm hoping to get to take it out for a hunt in the near future.

    Jim
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  4. 30Gov03

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    For what it's worth, here's a photo of my Winchester 1895, cal. .30 Government 1903.

    Jim

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  5. robertchambers

    robertchambers New Member

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    I have a few 1901 Springfield receivers layin' around...sold several complete actions over the years...kept only one for myself to build a cast bullet shooter as the 1901 has only 2 locking lugs where all 03's and 03-A3 have 3 lugs...I had always thought the 30.03 cartridge dimensions were the same as 30.06 but lower pressure because the first experimental actions (called 1901's) couldn't handle the pressures needed for the velocities/trajectories they were seeking...anyone can load for the 30.03 (1901 Sprngfld) using '06 brass and standard 30 cal bullets but with reduced powder charges....

    Seems to me there was a write up in Gun Report about these rifles (years ago)

    Yup...the name of that article is "The Forerunners of the 30.06" by Colonel Philip M Shockley
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  6. robertchambers

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    Over the years there has been quite a bit of confusion as to exactly the model designation of the above action...the 1900 action was set up to digest rimmed cartridges based on the 30.40 Krag case...even the magazine was oversized...this action came fitted with a standard magazine/trigger guard with follower and feed rails ground for rimless cartridges...making it a 1901...yet the Gun Report shows a 1901 with the same standard magazine/triggerguard, AND shows provisions for a third locking lug...

    You'll have to decide for yourself...is it a 1900 or a 1901?...with only two lugs and set up for rimless cartridges, my guess is that 1901 is the correct model designation for the action shown above.

    Either way, the action was designed for the lower pressures of the still experimental cartridge that became known as the 30.03
  7. jacksonco

    jacksonco New Member

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    Very nice rifle. I would like to get hold of one chambered for 7.62X54R
  8. robertchambers

    robertchambers New Member

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    According to Frank Barnes (Cartridges of the World) there is no 30.03...but when you read the 30.06 section, it states that the 30.06 is actually a "slightly-modified version of the original 1903 cartridge".

    I suspect the reason these changes in cartridge, action, and magazine designs are so vague was that (at the time) the US was running roughshod over Paul Mauser's US & German patents.
  9. Grandpa1948

    Grandpa1948 New Member

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    It looks like you have received a lot of very good information since you posted your question. I'm not an expert in this area, but have a little experience. I have an 1895 Win carbine in 30-03, and have loaded for it using 30-06 brass with the heavier bullets. Just keep chamber pressures around 45,000psi or so. These actions have a reputation of being weak, but they wont come apart easily, as I have extensive experience on. Had a stupid reloading miscue with a 95 chambered in 35 Win, and fired a load with estimated pressure of around 70,000 psi. It blew the primer and ruined the brass, but the gun held it, and shows no excessive headspace.

    I read somewhere, long-long ago, that P. O. Ackley stated this action would not easily blow up, but would stretch with continued use of hot loads.

    Enjoy the rifle, not many of us old 95 shooters still around!

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