.303 rifle identification

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  1. nmckenzie

    nmckenzie Well-Known Member

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    Last question first; the entire rear sight, top & bottom portions, is reversed, which is not to say it couldn't be used that way. As to the magazine, or lack therof, it's hard to tell from the photos what's in the magazine well - ahead of the triggerguard bow. The magazine release is present - it's that spring loaded tab immediately ahead of the trigger. Your reference to single shot has me wondering whether the usual 10 round magazine has been replaced with a single shot adapter for match shooting. If you depress the magazine release, what - if anything - slides out of the magazine well? If you want to see what this rifle looked like as originally issued, hop on Google/Image and tap in Enfield No.4 Mk.1(T). The 1(T) variation of the No.4 was a sniper rifle.
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    p.s. to previous. You'd asked about the term "sporterizing". In a very broad sense this usually means taking a standard issue military rifle, such as your No.4, and removing or modifying just about everything not needed for sporting use - bayonet lug, several inches of barrel length, and so forth. It usually also means the addition of a scope or commercial sights - such as the WGOS on your rifle. These additions involve drilling and tapping, which makes restoration to original military condition problematical. The forend of your rifle is original issue, but cut down and refinished to simulate contemporary sporting rifles, while the buttstock is a commercially manufactured replacement.
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  3. Hawg

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    True about the collector value but should be a good deer rifle.
    Ummmm Jim, when did Bishop start using Fajen Butt plates?:D:D:D
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    Between Enfields and Ross's we've a number of .303s in our racks, one of which is my deer rifle; an unaltered 1945 vintage No.5 with original sling etc. - one of the so-called jungle carbines. Yes, I know, my collector compatriots out there are cringing at the thought, but I take very good care of this rifle. My better half, on the other hand, being more of a traditionalist, sticks to her Marlin .35 or .41 Mag single action.
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    whats wrong with the jungle carbine ??

    does a good job , lotta piggys became bacon from mine ..
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    Jack: Absolutely nothing at all wrong with jungle carbines, I love mine. The one presently nestled between a Long Branch No.4 Mk1* and Ross 1905 MkII*** is the nicest of many I've owned over the past 40+ years, so it's a keeper. It's ex-Malay Federation Police, matching numbers, great bore, and will hold minute of coffee can (1 lb.) at one hundred yards. Don't really need much more than that.
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    Here's a few pictures of the magazine area. Depressing the magazine release does nothing. The release doesn't even move and based on the filled in area of where I believe the magazine should go, I'm not surprised.

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    Interesting. Looks like someone spent some time and effort converting the triggerguard's magazine opening into the floor of a five round internal box mag - sort of like you'd find in a Mauser 98, M1917 or M1903. With the bolt open, can you depress what appears to be a conventional magazine follower? I'm assuming it's being held up there by spring tension and pushing against the lips of what was once a ten round magazine. If the follower can be depressed, how far down will it go?

    There are just two screws holding the triggerguard to the action - one up forward with the swivel attatched, and one aft of the trigger running from left to right. Remove these two and you should be able to rotate the triggerguard out of the stock - lifting he nose of the guard and pivoting it up and out. Once the guard's free you'll be able to see what's what with the spring and follower, and also lift the barreled action free of the forend. I honestly can't see anyone going to that much trouble modifying a guard just to end up with a single shot rifle. That said, once the guard's out of the stock, see if anything's jammed or rusted solid inside the magazine box shell.
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    Hawg, Bishop used Fajen buttplates when I had an eye to brain to fingers disconnect.

    AFAIK, that was the only time.

    Jim
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    OK Cool cuz I was wondering.:D:D:D
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    Sorry for the delay guys. I can push it in a few inches.
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    Kinda figured that might be the case. Looks like your father in-law had the rifle's magazine converted to four or five round capacity - possibly in keeping with hunting regs of the time, or perhaps just so it more closely resembled a higher $$$ sporting rifle. For a while, Golden State/Santa Fe Arms marketed a five round detatchable magazine for the Enfield No.4/5 series, but it still protruded below the stock. The solution used on your rifle is more elegant.
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    p.s. to previous.

    I assume you also inherited some ammo for this rifle. If so, when loading the magazine make sure the rim of the top cartridge is ahead of the rim of the cartridge below it. If the top rim is behind the one below it the cartridge will jam on feeding. If you haven't done it already, but would like to remove the bolt - if only to experiment with cartridge placement, it's a very strightforward procedure. With the bolt in its rearmost position you'll notice a square spring loaded tab on the right side of the receiver. It sits right next to the bolt head. Move the bolt forward about 3/4", depress the tab, slide the bolt to the rear, rotate the bolt head to upright position, then slide the bolt out of the receiver. When replacing the bolt, rotate the bolt head so it depresses the spring loaded tab, and at the same time slide the bolt forward. That's all there is to it.
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