45 colt cal vrs 45 LC

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  1. bigboat

    bigboat New Member

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    I see ammo listed (cowboy loads) listed as 45 colt and 45 LC. Are they both the same and if not, my conversion is for 45 Long colt. Can I shoot the 45 colt (cowboy load)?
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    They are the same. It's just a change on nomenclature from the late 1800's.
  3. Alpo

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    It's like "45 Auto/45 ACP" or 9x19/9mm Parabellum/9mm Luger. Multiple names for the same cartridge.
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    To my knowledge there is no such cartridge as a 45 LC, only 45 Colt. It is kind of like calling your car, your "ride". I believe somewhere along the line the 45 Colt picked up the nick name 45 LC to distinguish it from the 45 acp. That being said if you see a sign on ammo marked 45 LC it is in fact 45 Colt. I don't believe you will ever see a case head marked 45 LC only 45 Colt.

    Ron
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    the 45 colt was for a short time referred to as 45 long colt because at the same time there was a 45 schofield developed by s&w for the model 3 american. at least i think thats how it went ?
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    I think you might be right as I have heard that before as well and forgot about it until your post, but I don't think there was ever a cartridge actually headtsamped 45 LC. I must admit I was wrong once before.:D

    Ron
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    They are the same as stated above. The cowboy load is lead and mainly used for plinking or targets. The ones I have used and many of them are pretty dirty rounds. Winchester was the brand name on them.
  9. Alpo

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    Elmer Keith, in Sixguns, mentions the "old short 45 Colt round" that was loaded with hollowbase bullets. If Elmer said there was a short 45 Colt, I believe him. Then look at the 45 Frankfort round. It is shorter than a normal 45 Colt. Yes, there was the 45 S&W, and it is shorter than the 45 Colt. I don't see how that would matter, as it was S&W, not Colt. Be kinda like sayin' you wanted the 32 Long H&R, so you didn't get the 32 Short S&W by mistake.

    Back in the 1800s, the numbers Smith gave guns were frame sizes, not model numbers. The American, the Russian, the Schofield and the 1881 Double Action were all Number 3s. Like saying an "N" frame, nowadays. The American was their first #3, and was much different than their Schofield. Just so you know.
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    ALso to add some more gas to the fire.

    If you go to Colts website and look through thier single action firearms they do offer for sale a 45 Long Colt SAA
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    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    Alpo, thanks for the link. Very interesting history.
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    The Army in the late 1800's had two revolvers the 45 Schofield and the 45 Colt. The military with usual efficiency called them both 45 Colt. As a result some outposts received SAA's with 45 Schofield ammo. No problem as the Schofield can be fired in the Colt however some had the Schofield's and received 45 Colt ammo which will not fit as the 45 Colt is a longer cartridge. As a result the Army began calling the 45 Colt the Long Colt. I had not heard that the Schofield was called the short colt although it wouldn't surprise me.
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    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    That was the version I'd heard.
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