.455 S&W Hand Ejector 1st model?

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  1. mckay44

    mckay44 New Member

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    I have a .455 S&W "Triple Lock" that appears to be original, but the serial number 15xxx is much higher than the serial range (1-5000) listed in The Standard Catalog of S&W by Supica and Nahas. Although it would be nice to know the value I really would like to know why the serial number is 10,000 numbers higher that all the books state. I can post pictures next week if necessary. Thanks...mckay44
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    From the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, .455 hand Ejectors, 1914 to 1915 1st Model serial numbers, 1-5000, 1915 to 1917 2nd Model Serial numbers, 5001-72755. Yours would seem to fall within the 2nd Model. Serial numbers of the .455 hand ejector can be a little jumbled, what details lead you to determine it is a 1st Model? Pictures would certainly help.
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  3. Jim K

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    Hi, mckay44,

    We will look forward to those pictures. You might just have one very rare gun.

    There were 808 .44 Triple Locks converted to .455 for the English, but their serial numbers are known (Neal & Jinks) and none go as high as 15xxx.

    But, and here is the kicker, the .455 caliber was listed as one of the eight calibers in which the gun was available, and apparently a very few were made in that caliber, independently of any British military contract. One of those would be a great rarity, much rarer than the .455 First Model or the converted .44's.

    Jim
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    OK, attached are some pictures. There are no British markings at all, and only the two line address on the top of the barrel, and the S&W logo on the right side of the frame. Thanks..

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  5. Jim K

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    Gotta think on that one for a while. How about it, guys, any ideas?

    Jim
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    deadin Well-Known Member

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    That one needs a factory letter. (Send lots of pictures of all markings with the request.)

    In the meantime, how about some clear close-ups of the left side of the frame behind the cylinder and any marks that may be there. Also of the rear of the cylinder (swung out), etc. Do all the serial numbers match? Bottom of butt, cylinder face, inside of lug cutout on barrel?

    It appears to be one of the last of the production Commercial TL. They were serialized up to 15,375 and could be ordered in .455.

    Nice gun!
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    +1 on the factory letter. Let us know what they say. I am betting that there were probably not more than a dozen.

    Jim
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    It's got the shrouded ejector rod of the 1st model, but most of the first models were not marked as to caliber. One possiblility, 600 .44 Hand Ejectors were converted to .455 for shipment to England, The catalog states that the serial numbers over lap with the .455 2nd Model. The catalong also states 691 1st model frames were stamped in the 2nd model serial number range. A factory letter is the only answer.
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    Neal and Jinks give the serial numbers of the guns converted to .455 and none go that high. Let us hope the factory letter will clarify things for mckay44 and that he will share with the rest of us.

    Jim
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