600 Yards with a 1911?

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  1. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

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    I have never shot a 1911 (or anything else except an M1 rifle at 600 yards. But I have fired a .357 S&W Model 28 6" at 150 yards, and I do know there is no way he could have a front sight marked or notched for 600 yards. At 150 yards, I was holding the base of the front sight (where it joins the barrel rib) even with the top of the rear sight. I have no idea how much holdover I would need at 600 Yards, but it would be a lot of guess and by golly unless I had a fixed aiming point at the right distance above the target to give me a decent sight picture.

    I have no doubt that a .45 pistol can shoot 600 yards and hit something. But I am highly skeptical that even on that big target it can be done with any consistency, and certainly not with ammunition that varies 150 fps in a box. Of course, I don't have one of those magic pistols.

    Jim
  2. JLA

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    I was thinking axactly that Jim. I bet what they did was calculate the ballistic trajectory for the windage and elevation and put an aiming target above the actual target. That would be the ONLY way you could get the dope right with any sort of consistency. And as to the magic pistol.. I dont see the big deal. Yeah, its a good idea, but the bicycle chain link claim is bogus. Even if a factory link does flex it doesnt do it until after the bullet leaves the barrel. Which makes the 'accuracy enhancing function' of the wider link moot. All the accuracy in a 1911 is in lockup. As long as your gun locks into battery the same every time its gonna shoot straight. Its 30% bushing to slide fit, 30%barrel to bushing fit, 30% lugs and hood, and the other 10% is slide to frame. And that 100% is only half of it.. Guns dont shoot themselves.

    For 165 bucks, this magical kit is definitely worth a try, but thier claims are bogus IMO..
  3. Archie

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    .45 ACP ammo with 150 f/s spread? That's pretty high. Most of my hardball equivalent loads run about 30 f/s spread.

    Assuming a fairly tight velocity spread, the bullet will fall the same distance every time at any given distance. 600 yards is going to require some serious hold over, but it will be the same every time.

    Bullseye type pistols are usually considered 'adequate' if they shoot groups no greater than six minutes of angle (3" at 50 yards). So at 600 yards, that's about 36 inches - oddly, the exact size of the black.

    I have two 'hardball' target pistols, neither prepared - to the best of my knowledge - by Mr. Lippard. I've never shot either of them from a machine rest, but on a good day, I can run a score of 80 or so. I've hit full size silhouette targets with boring regularity at 100 yards when I was younger and shooting more often.

    So I'll have to say this is possible. Which, for the tallybooks, is not an endorsement of the specially modified and precision built Lippard pistols.

    I will also admit I've never fired a handgun at 600 yards. A couple of M14s, but not a handgun.
  4. Jim K

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    Hitting a full size silhouette at 100 yards is good but not really outstanding; I have done it pretty regularly shooting DA, two hand standing with a 3" Model 36 and standard .38 Special ammo. Also, I have put every shot with that Model 28 from a rest in a group about 4" at that distance.

    But the trouble is that MOA really isn't very consistent at the longer ranges, as there are just too many variables. A pistol that will shoot 2" at 25 yards won't necessarily shoot 8" at 100 yards.

    When Colt was "hyping" the AR-15 and the .223 (it wasn't the 5.56 yet), they did an ad showing a GI helmet with a bullet hole in it, saying that their wonderful new rifle would penetrate a helmet at 1000 yards. When some of us questioned that, not only on power grounds, but on the fact that no one could even see a helmet at that distance, let alone hit it, Colt admitted that "we did some computer simulation" and that they actually shot the helmet at 50 feet. So much for advertising.

    JIm
  5. MH2008

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    Looks like I really need to practice more with mine.
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    MH2008 has cracked the code, practice.

    That wich is difficult, has been done.
    That wich is impossible, has yet to be done........

    Robert "Evel" Kneivel
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    Now that's the secret! Remember that when Elmer Keith first got started with the .44 special, S&W revolver, he was shooting 500 yards, off his back porch, at an old outhouse, and making hits! His secret was that he was aiming at a bush up the hill behind his target.
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    I thought I was doing good at 80 yards.....
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    I find this article utterly unbelievable and yet the source seems credible. It's difficult to imagine that a .45 acp round could even travel that far. Maybe 30years ago I could have calculated the max range and velocity but I've simply forgotten how to even set up the problem. There is one thing of which I'm certain; the article is in error on at least one point. At such ranges .45 cal pistols COULD NOT provide adequate covering fire. At that range the bullet would be accelerating at a not much greater rate than that of a free falling mass from it's max altitude. Wind resistance would greatly limit the velocity. I'm thinking that the round would not be even be lethal. Then again I could be full of it.:)
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    Browning 9mm Hi-Power can delivery whit 500 meters Sight ... Some canadian officer use this pistol....
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    Huh? :eek:
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    I can hit a hub cap at 25 yds. all day long!! Jealous now? I thought so.
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    :)I have seen a shot made about 350 yard. yeah that is nice shot! The old Kentucky elevation. He forgot to wet the front sight. damage is very minimal if that
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