7mm 08 vs 308

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  1. remington1990

    remington1990 New Member

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    I am been looking at a 7mm 08 or a 308 what is the main differance between them. I know the 7mm 08 is a 308 necked down to take a 7mm bullet what power and kick differance the to thanks
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    7MM-08 is just a little lighter in the recoil department due to its lighter bullet but is slightly flatter shooting. Basically anything you would use the .308 for you can use the 7 for, makes a good gun for those long shots like medium sized plains game. I'd be happy with either except the .308 is able to take heavier bullets for larger game like the 30-06 can take heavier bullets than the .308. For a youth gun the 7 has an edge without giving up anything in effectiveness and has more punch than the smaller .243.
  3. remington1990

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    I have a 30-06 and I am looking at another gun the main thing about the 7mm 08 is it a lot high around here. As far as kick how is the 308 vs the 30-06
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    depends on the action and the wt of the rifle. I have a very heavy 308 that is a dream to shoot. You can shoot it all day. I also have a 7mm08 that kicks like a shotgun. This all depends on the rifle you choose.
  5. 308 at my gate

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    If you already have a 30-06 then I would get the 7mm-08. I think that you would enjoy the rifle and like Old Grump said it would work great for antelope or deer in open country.
  6. remington1990

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    I am looking at the h&r handi rifle
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    As you've been told, being a .308 necked down, you're basically looking at the 7-08 simply utilizing a lighter, flatter shooting bullet with a bit less recoil.
    And less recoil is the reason I just bought a 7-08 for my step son for this coming Christmas. He's soon to turn 16 and has been using one of my .308s for hunting. He can handle it just fine but not for extended bench time which he enjoys. The 7mm I think will be just the ticket for him. Not to mention that I'll have to get some time in with it too. :p I guess it's win, win! :D
  8. Gamemaster 760

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    I think that you are going to find that the 7MMo8 kicks just as much as a 308

    People uses all kinds of crazy analogies to justify buying a new gun.
    In the end, the one that has the best stock and plenty of weight will always kick less then some cheap gun with a plastic stock.

    The amount of kick would have as much to do with the type of powder and the weight of the bullet as it would with the caliber.
    308 was designed off the 300 Savage - same parent case.

    The 300 Savage will kick, but will kick less then the 308 with the same bullet, because the 300 Savage is not loaded as high as the 308.

    Because the 308 came out around 1950 - there was no old or obsolete guns to contend with and since it was designed primarily as a military cartridge - there was no need to load it at anything less then the maximum amount of performance for that round.

    Even Savage - that made the model 99 knew that if they were going to rechamber their rifles for this new round, that the action had to be able to withstand that amount of pressure. It was a go or go home type of deal.

    The 7mmo8 is just a gimmick round that was already here - people loaded for it for years before it became commercially available.
    The only purpose for a 7mmo8 was to sell more guns!

    Neither round is better then the other.

    The 30-06 Springfield held all the accuracy records for 50 years before the 308 Winchester came along and broke them. The 308 did not break the accuracy records because it was a better round. It broke them because that was what the military was using after 1953 for their competitive shooting teams.

    As gun manufacture gets better and as the use of telescopic sights became more popular and as the quality of the glass used in those optics got better, it did not matter which round you shot - they were all accurate.

    On a apples to apples basis, the 30-06 is still king of that whole bunch - simply due to the fact that it holds more powder.

    Why is the 300 Winchester Magnum better then the 30-06 - because it holds more powder.

    Why is the 338 Lapua better then the 300 Winchester Magnum? Because it holds more powder.

    Why is the 50 Caliber better then the 338 Lapua - because it throws a even bigger bullet and burns even more powder then all the rest.
  9. BobMcG

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    Not necessarily.

    True, weight is a determining factor in felt recoil. (Not the main reason I choose a wood stock model for my step son's rifle but a nice bonus.)

    True again. With over the counter reduced load 140s in the -08 or even 120s, available, recoil should be fairly tame. In my case, I don't load for the -08 (at least for now) so that's handy.

    True. And the same can be said about many other popular rounds in use today.


    That's far from a new notion though. Face it, sales... well, it's what keeps the industry in business. That's good for all of us.

    Not much different than the decades old .270 vs. the .30-06 debate but it gives people something to talk about.:)
  10. remington1990

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    What is the 280 like I haven't shot the or heard to much about I have shot the 7mm 08 before
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    It is all about variety and something alittle different. I have probably 12 different cartridges for that reason. It is part of the hobby. Get the 7mm-08.
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    I would get 7mm-08 because it is cooler!
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    Look at ammo availability and price in your area before you commit.
    308 is generally cheap and plentiful with dozens of bullet wt. choices.
    I know around here 7mm 08 is about twice the cost of .308 with only a couple of bullet wt. options available.
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    you sold me.
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    I agree with Jeff, it doesnt hurt to check the availability of ammo of both the 308 and the 7mm 08. Here in this area, the 7mm08's are a bit hard to come by over the counter. Ive never owned one but have been looking at the ammo availability of different stores/shops ive been going into as of late and the 308's are more easy to come by and seem to have a decent price per box on them.
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    Strange, -08 ammo is plentiful around here and no more expensive than equivalent .308. Go figure.
  17. Gamemaster 760

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    My neighbor had a pristine Winchester Model 70 - pre 1964 30-06 rifle that he sold a couple of years ago - because in his opinion it kicked too much.

    He took his money and invested it in a good 7mm08 and a decent scope.

    He bought two boxes of shells and brought it down to the range for my brother and I to sight in for him. The rifle was not laser accurate and we fiddled with the gun for almost a box of shells before we had it someplace that was acceptable for deer hunting. He was whining about us shooting all his shells.

    He has Parkinson's disease and he couldn't site in his own rifle and so he was stuck with what we could do at 100 yards. I would not brag about the accuracy of the Remington Model 700 rifle that he bought or the quality of the scope that he had. But in my opinion it should have done better.

    He claimed that he let another person sight it in for him and he did much better then we did.

    I believe that he was allowed to road hunt and he shot several deer with it.

    Last year I donated a extra deer we had to him and he asked me if there was anything that he could do for me. I told him that I sure could use a spare box of .270 WSM - 130 gr shells.
    He went to the Walmart and came home and handed me $10 and said that I needed to get rid of my rifle because it was too expensive to shoot and that he got rid of his 7mm08 for the very same reason.

    The 270 WSM shells were $49.99 a box at Walmart.

    I believe that from time to time, no matter what caliber - you might find a sale on ammo to the point of where it makes it more economical to shoot. When I bought my .270 WSM on a trade for another rifle, I had found shells on sale for $24 a box and figured that was the going price for ammo.

    I have four boxes of shells for my rifle and I believe that it is a lifetime supply, because I only fired one shell at a deer and it died instantly.
    The hole it left in the deer was so large, you could throw a house cat through it.

    There isn't no way in heck that I would sell over $1000 worth of gun for something that was half as good and no way that I would sell another $1000 gun - just because the shells were too expensive.

    But in my eye's - I can see no benefit to using a small case and a smaller bullet that costs as much as my .270 WSM to shoot when the price of ammo is the same.
    There isn't anything in my mind that stands out with the 7mm08 that would make me want to run right out and buy one right now.

    A .280 Remington is the same class of round as the 30-06, just uses a smaller bullet - but shoots just as good as a 30-06 or a .270 Winchester in my opinion.

    Another case of what someone thought would make a gun better and would sell more guns.

    The .308 does its best work with a 150 gr bullet.
    When you use a larger bullet there is no advantage to using it over a 30-06 because the 30-06 case is larger - hence it works better then a 308 with say a 180 gr bullet.
  18. remington1990

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    I think I will go with the 308 because its a lot cheaper and more to chose from
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    I go with Sandman. The 7MM/08 is definately cooler.

    Zeke
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    Wow, you guys have managed to make a hell of a diverse thread out of this!! lol In the never ending .308 versus .284 debate, there are really no hard and fast answers. A .308 Win versus 7mm-08 debate IS exactly the same debate, more or less, as the .30-06 vs. .270 Win debate that has raged since the birth of the Winchester 54 in the 30's (when Winchester decided to create the .270 by necking down the .30-06.) Unless you are a physicist or a ballistician, the .30-06 IS the .280 Rem IS the .270 Win. There isnt a half an ounce of difference between em for the most part. Same is basically true of the 7mm-08 versus the .308 Win. Recoil isnt really noticeably different in rifles of similar weight and stock shape. Down range ballistics arent noticibly different either. If you select any ONE of ANY of these calibers, you are hunting with an exceptional rifle for deer sized game and even elk or moose at reasonable ranges. I personally own rifles in all three of the long action calibers, and there are really almost NO differences, especially given the fact that they are all based on the EXACT same case. I now own, and have owned for many many years at least one rifle in 7mm Mauser, which is ballistically identical to the 7mm-08. When employing factory ammunition, there are even FEWER differences between ANY of these calibers, INCLUDING the 7MM Mauser. Any kid who can comfortably fire the .308 Win can equally comfortably handle the .30-06 too.

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