98K Mauser Proof Stamp ID?

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  1. TRAP55

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    On the cocking piece of a dou 45 Israeli 7.62 Mauser. I've never seen this mark before, and nothing in my references.
    The only thing that comes close is a Spanish BP muzzle stuffer shotgun proof. It has the same three circles, but not that little "tail" at the bottom.
    It has to be a country's arsenal stamp, like the Israeli Star of David, or the Czech Lion. But what country?
    My eyeballs hurt from going over hundreds of stamps, I was hoping someone here would know what it is.

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    Three circles together is the Logo of Krupp's Steel Works. I have no ideal if that is the case here:)
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    Krupp logo


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    no tail

    Krupp mauser proofs

    no 3 balls

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    tellling personal things there aren't you Jack:D
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    the 3 ringed clover leaf looks like whats on my P-38

    so i did some looking came up with french made mausers and P-38's with clover leaf markings from the book

    Following World War II Germany was divided into four occupation zones, one for each major Allied power: the United States, the Soviet Union, England, and France. The Mauser factory was located in the French zone. Almost immediately after the war ended the French directed Mauser to resume P.38 (and other weapon) production which ended in 1946 after increasing protests from the other Allies (mainly the Soviets). The French Mauser P.38s were primarily assembled from spare parts already on hand, or those which required little further processing. There is no fundamental difference between the wartime and post-war Mausers with the exception of the grip panels, which seem to be uniquely French.

    Among the French Mausers one will find a variety of slide codes, although the svw code is by far the most common as it was the Mauser factory code at the end of the war. P.38 researcher and collector Orvel Reichert reports 83% of reported pistols have the svw code, 7% the byf44 code, 5% the FN ac43 code, 4% the FN ac44 code, and the very small remainder have a wide variety of WW2 codes, blank slides, and post-war slides. The finishes of the French Mausers range from various colors of parkerization, blued, or rarely the late-war German phosphate. Almost all are import marked by Interarms, usually under the slide rail where it is not easily seen.

    Individual parts that would have been acceptance marked by the Germans during the war (frames, slides, barrels, and locking blocks) may or may not bear German markings, depending upon where they were in the assembly process. There does not seem to have been any systematic attempt to deface or remove any existing German markings already present. The French continued with the German serial number system, starting with the "g" block (presumably 1g would have been the first French Mauser). The g, h, and i blocks were produced in 1945, transitioning to the k and L blocks in 1946. The letter "j" was not used. The last known serial number of a French Mauser is 500L. There are a few interesting markings found on French Mausers, such as the the "circled flaming grenade" (a police marking) and the "clover leaf stamp," of which the meaning is not currently known. The French proof mark, a star, is usually found on the same parts the Germans proofed - the slide, barrel, and locking block.

    The table below summarized the markings of a few French P.38s. It is interesting to note that there seems to be a degree of randomness (as yet unexplained) as to the markings the French used. For example, most pistols will have the French star proof on the slide, while others will not. A few have various small parts serialized (triggers, hammers, etc.) while most do not. In the L block the serial number is not seen on the slide or barrel at all, and the frame serial number has been moved to the tang.
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    nothing real personal ..
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    I meant the comment about " no tail " :D
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    thats common knowledge

    cant turn tail if ya aint got one ...
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    Jack, I almost PM'ed you with the question before I posted it. Many thanks!:)
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    Wait, tail?
    I've worked mine off, the redhead says I should wear two wallets so at least it looks like I have one.:eek:
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    No worries so looks like your Mauser was assembled from parts and had the french mark applied

    still made from the mauser plant just when it got captured the frogs decided not to let all the bits go to waste and make some fast cash , and seeing the french and the early Israelis did a lot of weapons dealing ( 6000 lee enfields that started off the israeli infantry came from france , NOT the UK ) its not a huge surprise

    but also i'm thinking there would not be too many about today , israel dumped most of its mausers in the med in the 70's

    i bought 3 P-38's from New calidonia ( french territory) a while back and all three had the clover leave stamp

    i know they where post war made from parts so wondered if your mauser was the same , same factory it seems so looks that way
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