9MM Defense load

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by Airdale, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. Airdale

    Airdale Active Member

    Mar 31, 2009
    N.W. Arkansas
    I'm about to put in an order for bullets for a defensive 9mm round.

    I'm down to two brands Sierra and Hornady XTP and two weights 124 or 147 grains. My question is this; Is there any reason the 147 grain wouldn't be superior for a self defense round? Maybe I'm asking a "no brainer" question but I thought I'd throw it out to guys that have more knowledge and experience than me.

    I'll be using either Unique or Bullseye so if someone has a recipe it would be appreciated.

    Before somebody warns about legal ramifications. I am buying these for a time that ammo may become unavailable (SHTF scenario).
  2. Caneman

    Caneman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2010
    posted from an excellent article on self defense ammo:



    Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.

    • Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
    • Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
    • Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    • Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
    • Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
    • Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
    • Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
    • Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
    • Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    • Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
    • Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
    • Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)

    You might notice that the list does NOT include any lightweight bullets with the exception of the Barnes 115gr version. The reason - especially if you've read the beginning of this article - should be clear already, but Doctor Roberts sums it up nicely as well: "With the exception of the Barnes 115 gr XPB all copper projectile, in general, most 9 mm 115 gr loads have demonstrated greater inconsistency, insufficient penetration, poor intermediate barrier capability, and failure to expand in denim testing than other 9mm bullets. For those individuals wanting to use lighter weight, supersonic 9 mm’s, I think a better alternative than the vast majority of 115 gr loads is to use the slightly heavier 124 to 127 gr bullets or the Barnes 115 gr all copper bullet"

  3. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    I don't know about having more knowledge, but I like the Hornady XTP bullets. I normally use the 115 grain ones. I have used both Win 231 and AA #7 in them. You can get a little more velocity out of the lighter bullets with the about the same amount of powder.

    I load my .380 with a 90 grain XTP bullets and Titegroup powder. (i know you didn't ask about .380 :D)
  4. Country101

    Country101 Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2004
    NW AR
    I dont know about the technical aspects and dont know particularly about those rounds, but what I have noticed with .45 hydrashoks on pigs is that the 230gr outperform the 185+P. I dont have numbers and know that shot placement makes a huge differance, but I have shot many pigs and the 230 grain bullets stopped them quicker or with fewer rounds. That is by no means scientific, but that is what I have observed and I will always go with a heavier bullet, unless my gun doesnt shoot it well or other factors are involved.
  5. The Duke

    The Duke New Member

    Mar 11, 2006
    NW Louisiana
    I like the 147g Hydrashocks or Gold Dots loaded to +P velocity.. Had a friend shoot a big sow in a trap recently with a +P Gold Dot...Very impressive amount of trauma...the hog was down an out with one shot to the head.
  6. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    124 gr XTP
    5.0 gr Unique
    CZ75 9mm pistol
    25 yds. (benched)

    Bullet velocity is 1125 fps avg over a full mag (16 rds).

    Attached Files:

  7. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Same here George. I load the 90 grainers over titegroup for the wife. That little CZ83 of hers loves that combo.
  8. Airdale

    Airdale Active Member

    Mar 31, 2009
    N.W. Arkansas
    Thanks guys, lots of good info. (as usual for TFF).
  9. rcairflr

    rcairflr Well-Known Member

    Jul 2, 2011
    Wichita, Ks
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2011
  10. steve4102

    steve4102 Former Guest

    Jan 27, 2006
    Ouch! Don't want to be in your cross hairs!
  11. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Heres a practice B27 I shot std CCW qualification course at my range with the same pistol and load.

    20 rds at 3 yds
    20 rds at 7 yds
    and 10 rds at 15 yds
    all standing offhand.

    Attached Files:

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