While going over this post a second time I think what I read is: Gail has/had a Charter Arms Chic Lady in .38 Special. She was using it to shoot .38 Special Plus P ammunition. The recoil was excessive!! You think?? The revolver only weighs 12 ounces......... She mentions changing to a .38 ACP. There used to be such an animal but I couldn't even find ammo on the web for it. Hopefully she will get back on here after she gets the one she ordered! I hope she finds something she likes.