A 9mm question...

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by glocknut, Oct 15, 2006.

  1. glocknut

    glocknut New Member

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    Yes, i know this has probably been discussed a million times before etc etc etc...but here it is anyway.

    My personal favorite in 9mm is the winchester 115gr silvertip. But it is somewhat hard to find arround here.
    The local gunshop is selling Remington 124gr Golden Sabre
    by the 1/2 case "500 rds" and i don't know anything about that particular round?

    I'm not wanting to stock the cheap plinking ammo, but rather the good stuff... the stuff that would actually be used in a defense situation. I've got plenty of the plinking ammo already....

    Opinions on the golden sabre or other possible 9mm candidates would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

    mike
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  2. Deputy Dawg

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    One word.........( Corbon ) 115 grain.Ok that was 3 words.
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  4. ironsight65

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    What's the deal with the Black Talons anyway?
    Why were they banned?
  5. southernshooter

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    They wern't banned
  6. Crpdeth

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    From the best of my memory (getting worse every day) Winchester simply stopped production of the Talons on their own after feeling pressure by the tree hugger crowd, stateing that "The petlals expanded and cut rather than tear through vitals" makeing surgery more complicated and recovery less possible or some crap like that.

    Crpdeth
  7. southernshooter

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    People were saying the Teflon coating on it went thru bullet proof vest. Anybody like us knew it was easier on the barrel and fed better.
    And then they said the talons were dangeress for surgenons it could cut thru their gloves and cut them. What doctor is going to stick his finger in a bullet wound? It is great ammo if it wasn't dang near extinct
  8. VegasTech702

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    I prefer to use a 124gr bullet in my self defense rounds. That being said I have had very good results from the Magtech and Speer Gold Dot +P rounds. I am currently carrying the Speer stuff in my 9 and .380
  9. Deputy Dawg

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    That was there story allright.:mad: :mad: ,instead of faceing lawsuits they gave in to the anti-gun crowd.They think that if it is black it must be EVIL, just like thoses EVIL Black Rifles.
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    Thank Crpdeth, I guess I got the liberal media explanation from what I remember. Hearing crap like "cop killer bullets". Typical.

    How dare someone make a bullet that does what it is designed to do
    very effectively. Obviously we need "kinder, gentler" bullets.
  11. southernshooter

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    Hornady's Tap is really a good bullet and affordable
  12. Crpdeth

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    Exactly :D
  13. delta13soultaker

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    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    124 grain Golden Saber is decent ammo (Avoid the 147 grain regardless of brand.)

    Cor-Bon 115 grain +P 9mm has a reputation that can't be argued with. Just make sure your weapon is newer, like 1985+ for that stuff.

    I keep mine loaded with 124 grain Hornady XTP or 124 grain Federal Hydra-Shock. When I get a hold on more Cor-Bon the other stuff will go in the practice ammo box though :D

    Southern, I took a look at Hornady TAP and it does look like some good ammo. I like Hornady anyway. The 200 grain .45 acp +P TAP looks like a real dooozy....pushing a 200 grain .45 hollowpoint at almost the speed of a lighter 9mm round...that's should have great terminal effect.
  14. LIKTOSHOOT

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    Well I agree with half of your statement Delta, but not so sure about the 45acp stuff.

    I could be way off base on this and my memory isn`t the best. But my understanding of the invention of "TAP" was different than this HV 45acp.


    My belief was TAP was brought to market for low flash/low recoil tactical use, which then spilled over into the commercial market for recoil sensitive hunters, you know, lower powered 30-06 with the same 100 yard impact (simply one example) as full power.

    HiVel 45acp is usally negated to subgun use, but in the current market the subgun has turned to the cut down M4`s and HK`s using .223.

    Interesting close combat/entry choice and some have moved back to the .308`s in this same application. Accidents are not far off as some get braver...........


    LTS
  15. delta13soultaker

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    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    Which half? lol

    I've used Hornady quite a while, but never took a close look at TAP. Reading into it's figures from a five inch barrel (200 grain .45 +P) caught my attention. Then again .45 230 grain ball does pretty good anyways:D
  16. LIKTOSHOOT

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    My belief is a old one, big and slow. Although the younger generation seems to believe the need for speed, there lies a problem in handgun caliber ammunition (and this was brought about by none other than the 9mm) and it is simple to use the rifle ammunition as a model. Two questions for you based on hunting.

    What do we want a bullet to do when hunting?(rifle)
    On paper what do we want a defense bullet to do?(pistol)


    LTS
  17. delta13soultaker

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    :D LTS, I know what you're saying and I know where you're coming from...although partly I disagree.

    I agree on big and slow...because a handgun bullet makes it's money by crushing a wound channel through tissue. The deeper and wider the better. The temorary wound channel from a handgun doesn't stretch fast enough to cause damage to tissue (like a rifle bullet will do to tissue). The difference in terminal ballistics is less between similar calibers than people often believe I think...thanks to ammo advertizements and gun rags (hype hype hype). Energy transfer and all that in handgun bullets is hardly much to get rapped up in...there's not enough extra energy after crushing a wound channel to do much else!

    I disagree on the "need for speed". Long long long before the 9mm became popular on this side of the pond, handgunners were looking for more speed and thus the .357 mag, .44 rem mag....

    For old timers, the 9mm is the source of all evil regarding ill advised handgun bullet performance myths etc etc....but I'm here to tell ya we were plenty misguided enough without 'ol 9mm Luger:D
  18. LIKTOSHOOT

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    What you will notice though is the very quite removal of the .357 from the law enforcement category. And the reason was over penetration and the inability to transfer it`s energy into the target before passing through it.
    This is exactly where the 9mm picked up with it`s hype and new styled double jump back super sonic hollow pointed double expander bullet-15 shot wonder nine venue.
    What makes a 45acp work is not speed, it is simply a large frontal area delivered at a slow speed, allowing for the energy to transfer into the target.

    When you soup up a 45acp, you negate it`s effectiveness by allowing it to again-pass through before transfer.

    LTS
  19. Speer's Gold Dots deserve a look too, I think. I use those in my .38 special carry guns, and from all accounts, they seem to work quite effectively. In the 9mm though, I go with the proven standard, the Corbon 115 grainer. It's hard to argue with proven success.
  20. Pat Hurley

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    I never cease to be impressed with the smarts this crowd displays on a daily basis. The best ammo has already been enunciated above, but I'll list mine in order of preference...

    1. Cor Bon (+P if your gun can take it)
    2. Hornady TAP
    3. Speer Gold Dot
    4. Federal Hydra Shock

    The first two are in a class by themselves, as far as I'm concerned, with Cor Bon a strong number one.

    Happy shootin'!

    Pat Hurley
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