A good analysis of the problem

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  1. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

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    This is something I copied from my local tea party's group email. I don't know this person but I think he explains our dilemma pretty well. What we do about it is the question.

    mark

    From: Troy A. Jones
    Sent on: Saturday, January 1, 2011 6:44 PM


    If any of you can think in plain common sense terms about the law of commercial transactions – contract law – you will see that the following is a pretty good summary of the situation. The things this author missed was that GOLD and SILVER had substance (value) and not just currency (Form of money). FDR had all the real US value money confiscated and substituted IOU Federal Reserve Notes just like those we use today which are owned by a private FOREIGN bank.

    These notes have the FORM of money but no value. Reason is that NOTES (Federal Reserve Notes) are debt obligations. Ever heard of Notes Payable? Do you really have substance or tangible value in your credit card? NOPE. You have a debt that makes you a slave to the lender. Furthermore, anything you buy on credit has a lien that transfers to those goods until they can be settled with real substance. So you own nothing purchased on a credit card, but transferred one form of debt to settle another form of debt. Can you pay and settle debt with debt? No. You simply discharge one form of debt (credit card A) with another debt (Credit Card B).

    Well that is what our Federal Reserve notes are….debt notes. We use debt to settle other debt. Each of us that buys a house, car, boat, food, etc are all using debt notes. So when you pay for all these things with debt notes, you do not own it. Rather, the Federal Reserve does as they are the lienholder of the assets substance – and you are a mere privileged user of the asset. The Federal Reserve has allowed you to use their IOU’s (Federal Reserve Notes) to buy things and - IOU’s will have to eventually be paid with value to have a like exchange under common law. That is why the Founders specified weights and measures in Gold and Silver – the money of Sovereigns.

    Not convinced? Those of you out there who are fortunate enough to have paid off your house or your car – do you own it or is the debt really just discharged? Yes – discharged. You have satisfied the debt loan obligation, but since it was settled with Federal Reserve notes which are debt – can you again pay for debt with more debt and truly own it? NOPE – the Federal Reserve owns your house, car etc. They offer you a mere title of use. Notice in your house, you have Joint Tenancy or Tenancy in Common. What is a tenant? A User based upon some form of payment for use. Why do you think that they can have you get a permit to add on to your house, replace a water heater, build a porch, etc. if you really owed it. Why do you need a permit to do something to that which you already and TRULY own? (I know the sheeple right now said cause government wants to protect you). Truth is that they are indeed protecting somebody – the owner of the asset and that is the Federal Reserve Bank who is the lienholder of everything in this nation.

    One last pleasant thought for you. Since Federal Reserve Notes are debt instruments of a foreign bank and the US Government is a Debtor Nation, who must the government serve – We the People or the Creditor? Again – it is the creditor and the Government is a mere enforcer and broker of the debtor status. This my friends is why you have no Constitutional Rights but mere privileges as the creditor authorizes the enforcer grants to you. Our Courts are now active participants in Commercial – not common law – and when in Commercial law we are in Admiralty/Maritime Jurisdiction. The District Courts are all Bankruptcy Courts acting on behalf of the Creditor enforcing the rules, regulations and privileges granted by the creditor to all debtors(Chattel).

    In short, your government does not serve you its’ Common Law Master – but its’ Commercial Law Master the Federal Reserve Foreign Banking Cartel ----and You and I my friends – including all of this nations material wealth - are Chattel for all the debts of this Nation.

    I will close with Thomas Jefferson. Tell me how what I said above is not true and was not known in our nation’s founding.

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
    3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

    Welcome friends to reality!!!!
    Troy
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    A good post; RunningOnEMT

    I am not a big fan of the "teabaggers", I think they came into existance purely to regain the corporate political power lost in 2008; but he brings to light what our currency actually is; long before the present administration.

    I agree that the Federal Reserve prints nothing but IOU paper; but I absolutely dissagree with that teabagger when he tries to convince me that I don't "own" a damn thing after I have paid it off.
    Scare tatics.
    The Federal Government still "owes" the land; that's why we pay taxes; that's nothing new. You get "permits" from your local board to enable them to increase this tax; because you've increased it assesed value. That's been going on for generations.
    If he'd remove that stapled teabag from his forehead; he may of rememberd that.

    Question is: who "owns" the Federal Government?

    In 2008 a political "war" was ignited by the election of Obama. It never would of happned had the corporate candidates; Clinton/McCain; won. As a result, we are fragmented.
    Somebody once said "Devide and you shall "Conquer".

    So again: who "owns" the Federal Government?

    The elections of 2012 will tell.
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    I won't fault the millions of Tea Partiers who attended the rallies and voted for the best candidates they could find. As far as I can see, the Tea Partiers on the "grass roots" level are good people, who are sick & tired of the government's malfeasance.

    However, I am suspicious of the "celebrity" politicians who have rushed to stand under the Tea Party banner. I am afraid that these "celebrity" politicians will effectively de-rail the movement.

    I hope that the people at the "grass roots" level will observe carefully, stay angry, and be prepared to launch another salvo in 2012.
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    I don't know who Troy A. Jones is, but he hit the nail on the head. We don't own anything in this Nation! If you have paid of your home, just like he said, you paid it off with Federal Notes, and you never owned them either. If you pay your house off with something you don't own, is it paid for?
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    I once saw a presentation developed by a patriot group in Oklahoma - they provided documentation that the United States has been operating under Emergency War Powers since the 1930's.... effectively bypassing Constitutional constraints.

    Another area they discussed was the ramifications of the government's debt to the Federal Reserve - in essence, we (the U.S. citizens) and everything we possess are the collateral.
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    It sounds like someone has read "The Creature from Jekyll Island"... ;) And he's right! When is the US going to be repossessed?
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    If a corporate entity provides a government official with some service/gratuity, and the government official reciprocates by giving that corporate entity a government contract (or some other favor), you wouldn't consider that to be "government malfeasance"?????

    The nominal purpose of business is to make profit, by any means available. Corporate officers do not swear to uphold & defend the Constitution - but government officials do - so who is guilty of the greater sin?

    There's no denying that the cozy relationship between big corporations and the government has caused damage to the United States..... but putting the government on a pedestal while blaming the big corporations is myopic.... and perhaps more significantly, voters don't get to choose corporate leaders.

    I would also opine that the government's malfeasance has gone far beyond its deference for big corporations - the federal government has grown like a cancer over the past century, implementing socialist policies and entwining our country's destiny with foreign powers, all at the expense of the average citizen's welfare and his fundamental liberties. Big corporations may be along for the ride, but somebody else is at the steering wheel.
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    To which I respond:

    Where do campaign funds come from?

    Who funds those glossy adds?

    Who "orients" freshman Congressmen?

    Who funds re- elections (if you don't play the game; you are out)

    Who provides the "perks"?

    How many "retired" Congressmen become corporate lobbiest?

    Lobbiest run 24/7; the general public once every 2-4 years; IF they take the time to vote.

    Congressmen are human; it's easier to pick that low hanging fruit.

    Finally: Eliminate that fruit.

    You make some valid points; oftig; the above are mine.
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    If Congressmen choose to pick that low-hanging fruit, instead of abiding by their oaths to the Constitution, they were the wrong "humans" to vote for.

    This week a record number of freshman Congressmen started their new jobs. Do I think that all of them are sincere? Nope. I'm hoping that maybe half of them are. In 2012, we get a chance to replace the others.

    What alternative is there? Parade on the street with a sign which reads "Abolish Exxon"?

    Or do you envision some other tactic to "eliminate that fruit"?
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    Please explain. You're getting "cryptic" again.
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    Hey!
    You posted that!
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    Yes, and I presume you quoted it for some reason. Care to tell us what you have in mind?

    If you have a plan, I'd like to hear it. If it sounds like a good plan, count me in.

    But don't expect me to play guessing games.
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    O.K., I won't.

    What part of your post "by any means possible" don't you understand; when it comes to corporate influence ?

    "by any means possible"

    That includes force,threats, bribery, intimidation, patronizing etc. Nothing is exempt.

    And that is what must be eliminated from our Congress.

    Clear?
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