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  1. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    October 7, 2012

    How to Die

    ONE morning last month, Anthony Gilbey awakened from anesthesia in a hospital in the east of England. At his bedside were his daughter and an attending physician.

    The surgery had been unsuccessful, the doctor informed him. There was nothing more that could be done.

    “So I’m dying?” the patient asked.

    The doctor hesitated. “Yes,” he said.

    “You’re dying, Dad,” his daughter affirmed.

    “So,” the patient mused, “no more whoop-de-doo.”

    “On the other side, there’ll be loads,” his daughter — my wife — promised.

    The patient laughed. “Yes,” he said. He was dead six days later, a few months shy of his 80th birthday.

    When they told my father-in-law the hospital had done all it could, that was not, in the strictest sense, true. There was nothing the doctors could do about the large, inoperable tumor colonizing his insides. But they could have maintained his failing kidneys by putting him on dialysis. They could have continued pumping insulin to control his diabetes. He wore a pacemaker that kept his heart beating regardless of what else was happening to him, so with aggressive treatment they could — and many hospitals would — have sustained a kind of life for a while.

    But the hospital that treated him offers a protocol called the Liverpool Care Pathway for the Dying Patient, which was conceived in the 90s at a Liverpool cancer facility as a more humane alternative to the frantic end-of-life assault of desperate measures. “The Hippocratic oath just drives clinicians toward constantly treating the patient, right until the moment they die,” said Sir Thomas Hughes-Hallett, who was until recently the chief executive of the center where the protocol was designed. English doctors, he said, tell a joke about this imperative: “Why in Ireland do they put screws in coffins? To keep the doctors out.”

    The Liverpool Pathway brings many of the practices of hospice care into a hospital setting, where it can reach many more patients approaching death. “It’s not about hastening death,” Sir Thomas told me. “It’s about recognizing that someone is dying, and giving them choices. Do you want an oxygen mask over your face? Or would you like to kiss your wife?”

    Anthony Gilbey’s doctors concluded that it was pointless to prolong a life that was very near the end, and that had been increasingly consumed by pain, immobility, incontinence, depression and creeping dementia. The patient and his family concurred.

    And so the hospital unplugged his insulin and antibiotics, disconnected his intravenous nourishment and hydration, leaving only a drip to keep pain and nausea at bay. The earlier bustle of oxygen masks and thermometers and blood-pressure sleeves and pulse-taking ceased. Nurses wheeled him away from the wheezing, beeping machinery of intensive care to a quiet room to await his move to “the other side.”

    Here in the United States, nothing bedevils our discussion of health care like the question of when and how to withhold it. The Liverpool Pathway or variations of it are now standard in most British hospitals and in several other countries — but not ours. When I asked one American end-of-life specialist what chance he saw that something of the kind could be replicated here, the answer was immediate: “Zero.” There is an obvious reason for that, and a less obvious reason.

    The obvious reason, of course, is that advocates of such programs have been demonized. They have been criticized by the Catholic Church in the name of “life,” and vilified by Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in the pursuit of cheap political gain. “Anything that looks like an official protocol, or guideline — you’re going to get death-paneled,” said Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the bioethicist and expert on end-of-life care who has been a target of the rabble-rousers. (He is also a contributing opinion writer for The Times.) Humane end-of-life practices have quietly found their way into cancer treatment, but other specialties lag behind.

    The British advocates of the Liverpool approach have endured similar attacks, mainly from “pro-life” lobbyists who portray it as a back-door form of euthanasia. (They also get it from euthanasia advocates who say it isn’t euthanasia-like enough.) Surveys of families that use this protocol report overwhelming satisfaction, but inevitably in a field that touches families at their most emotionally raw, and that requires trained coordination of several medical disciplines, nursing and family counseling, the end is not always as smooth as my father-in-law’s.

    The less obvious problem, I suspect, is that those who favor such programs in this country often frame it as a cost issue. Their starting point is the arresting fact that a quarter or more of Medicare costs are incurred in the last year of life, which suggests that we are squandering a fortune to buy a few weeks or months of a life spent hooked to machinery and consumed by fear and discomfort. That last year of life offers a tempting target if we want to contain costs and assure that Medicare and Medicaid exist for future generations.

    No doubt, we have a crying need to contain health care costs. We pay more than many other developed countries for comparable or inferior health care, and the total bill consumes a growing share of our national wealth. The Affordable Care Act — Obamacare — makes a start by establishing a board to identify savings in Medicare, by emphasizing preventive care, and by financing pilot programs to pay doctors for achieving outcomes rather than performing procedures. But it is barely a start. Common sense suggests that if officials were not afraid of being “death-paneled,” we could save some money by withholding care when, rather than saving a life, it serves only to prolong misery for a little while.

    But I’m beginning to think that is both questionable economics and bad politics.

    For one thing, whatever your common sense tells you, there is little evidence so far that these guidelines do save money. Emanuel has studied the fairly sketchy research and concluded that, with the possible exception of hospice care for cancer patients, measures to eliminate futile care in dying patients have not proved to be significant cost-savers. That seems to be partly because the programs kick in so late, and partly because good palliative care is not free.

    Even if it turns out that programs like the Liverpool Pathway save big money, promoting end-of-life care on fiscal grounds just plays into fears that the medical-industrial complex is rushing our loved ones to the morgue to save on doctors and hospital beds.

    When I asked British specialists whether the Liverpool protocol cut costs, they insisted they had never asked the question — and never would.

    “I don’t think we would dare,” said Sir Thomas. “There was some very nasty press here in this country this year about the Pathway, saying it was a way of killing people quickly to free up hospital beds. The moment you go into that argument, you might threaten the whole program.”

    In America, nothing happens without a cost-benefit analysis. But the case for a less excruciating death can stand on a more neutral, less disturbing foundation, namely that it is simply a kinder way of death.

    “There are lots of reasons to believe you could save money,” said Emanuel. “I just think we can’t do it for the reason of saving money.”

    During Anthony Gilbey’s six days of dying he floated in and out of awareness on a cloud of morphine. Unfettered by tubes and unpestered by hovering medics, he reminisced and made some amends, exchanged jokes and assurances of love with his family, received Catholic rites and managed to swallow a communion host that was probably his last meal. Then he fell into a coma. He died gently, loved and knowing it, dignified and ready.

    “I have fought death for so long,” he told my wife near the end. “It is such a relief to give up.”

    We should all die so well.
  2. tcox4freedom

    tcox4freedom Well-Known Member

    That sounds a lot like the way my step dad died. My wife, his two sons & I all live out of town. Because I was a minister & the closest (son) I was called & arrived first. (My mom wanted to make sure her Marine would make it into Heaven)

    During our visit I discovered he had had a near death experience where the Lord had appeared before him. So, there wasn't anything for me to do except give God praise & say our goodbyes.

    I had to return home before his other two sons arrived. After they arrived and he said his goodbyes. He told mom he loved her, closed his eyes, took a deep breath and was gone.

    I could only hope & pray to go into the presence of God in such a way.


  3. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    Reverend, what you just spoke of is enlightening to even us who have no strong religious affilations...My wife was a Hospice nurse for years and she often related such things that happened there during the 'passing over' process of the patients...She used to come home in the early morning and perhaps while we shared breakfast, she would relate some of the nights events...One time at a Christmas party, I heard a horrible story related by the RN's, CNA's, an MD and the Priest/Parson who was in attendance...They used to describe the passing of a patient as a 'GOOD PASSING' or a 'BAD EVENT'... There was this male patient, mid-70's, who did a lot of yelling and screaming along toward the end...the person had to be restrained with belts and straps...this one night, before the nightly routine of strapping him up, he bagan to suddenly shout and scream and vomit...in the process of the person trying to be restrained, he levitated up off his hosptial bed and remained floating and jerking around in mid-air...Remember who I mentioned was at the Christmas party and verified that ungodly event to we assembled partiers....My wife also verifies that the departing patients obviously see and talk with unseen personages in the area...You don't have to believe these things ....I testify their being told and verified by those of authority...Chief
  4. Brisk44

    Brisk44 New Member

    Mar 6, 2011
    You don't have to go through all that life sustaining stuff. Weather it's in a nursing home or your own home your wishes are taken into consideration. When my dad died the doctors used no extra ordinary means to prolong his life and let him go out on his own terms. I have already taken care of my own end. Weather it's at home or in a hospital when the time comes they will let me go naturally with no prolongation measures to be taken. I'm hoping it's at home but understand that the circumstances may dictate otherwise.
  5. tcox4freedom

    tcox4freedom Well-Known Member

    When I first began in ministry a little old lady took me under her wing and would allow me to go with her to some of the hospitals; (particularly the mental wards).

    I have seen 1st hand things similar to what you described. Soon after I began going around ministering with this woman God opened the door for me to move into helping others in "deliverance" ministry.

    I can tell you without a doubt evil is just as real as good. I have seen & fought demonic spirits face to face. I myself was attacked over eleven years ago in a battle that almost claimed my life.

    I believe you because I have been there!

  6. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    early on i was blessed with some terrible experiences ,

    i got to see a fair few people die close up

    but that was not the blessing but those who had giving their life over to Christ , to a man they all went off well .

    and those who did not , mostly scared terrified even , its showed me all i needed to know

    and i now know with every fibre off my being i'll see those blokes again who had given over themselves to Christ

    hell of a education experience but one that cant be challenged
  7. rooter

    rooter *VMBB Senior Chief Of Staff* Supporting Member

    Jan 31, 2001
    Glendale Arizona
    It happened to me at least 25 years ago....I didn't tell anyone about it, even sharing it with my wife for at least another 10 years....I remembered the details with amazing clarity, even though that paranormal experience remained doubtful for/to me. Those were the days before the computer and word processor and following the death of my son John in 1996, I began writing stories on the old yellow legal pad...I've mentioned to you on here that by telling my stories it was like a salvation for me because many times I simply wanted to destroy myself.....Dramatic, you think? Anyone who ever comments to a person who has lost a child, "I know how you feel....." that those are anger provoking words unless they have lost a son or daughter, themselves...I know I posted the story here on the forum that I finally wrote about that event, but I couldn't find it so I'm going to have to compose it again and share it with you here..Many times over the years, when the subject such as supernatural or paranormal stories are shared with house guests, my wife will encourage me to tell that ghost story...I do so, and again, with amazing clarity for it is as if I am back there again....No, it isn't an evil story, but one that most people listening find interesting, and the questions they pose are thoughtful and respectful...Chief
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