A recent confrontation . . .

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    WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A "CONFRONTATION?!" I say thoughtfully, respectfully, and passionately refute nonsense while persuasively sharing your thoughts.

    And listen to what you've stated above - watch what you say in the workplace or you could get fired; loosing your job is not worth a hard stand on a political position, etc. This is a damned college campus!!!! The very place where intellectual exchanges of differeing views are SUPPOSED to occur!! Dear God is this world upside down!

    Cower in a corner if you wish to sir, and the rest of will do your bidding.

    WWRD.

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    Pat Hurley:

    A college is still a work place for instructors and professors. The correct place for debate is in a forum not in front of the office mail boxes! All it takes is a bit of emotion in the work place (the college office) exchange or perhaps a loss in position by the other instructors and they are likely to file a complaint. Remember that their position was shaky at best and they wanted someone to agree with them. They were not looking for a debate. You debate and you look like the aggressor and you get the complaint filed against you. Colleges are no different than any other work place for employees. Formal debate in a structured arena is OK and probably is wanted by the administration but not in the instructors offices.

    I said if you want to debate offer it OFF campus on everyones free time. I did not say to bend over. The work place today is defined by very stiff rules, thanks to the lawyers, and a college employee is bound by those same rules that cover any large corporation for aggressive employee behavior. Right or wrong, it is just the facts of life in America today.

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    I note for the record that Pistol responded to incindiary remarks, he did not start a debate. But, what harm is there in a debate? If Pistol would have said to this misinformed clown that he thinks Miller Lite "tastes great," and his liberal opponent claims that its "less filling," has he violated some code of conduct, some rule that says "no one will ever disagree about anything?" This is absurd on its face.

    I have disagreements and debates with my colleagues and subordinates ALL THE TIME. Since when is this a violation of workplace boundaries and mores? Or are these special rules for liberal college campuses?

    Look, I don't recommend that anyone get into a "confrontation" anywhere. However, playing life on defense is a hell of a way to live. Nobody calls VP Cheney a war criminal to my face without getting a polite history lesson, a dissertation on the Constitution, and a short course on common sense. Now if that exchange causes me to be fired from my employment, I shouldn't have been working there in the first place. That's not freedom, that's not academic inquiry, and by God that's not America.

    My over arching point is this... freedom is preserved when brave men and women understand the risks and energetically defend freedom anyway. History is rife with stories of liberals converted over time because a conservative patiently and politely corrected their errors and shared a conservative view. Make no mistake - we are in a full fledged culture war. We can concede ground every day to these buffoons by simply not showing up to the critical debates, or we can boldly take on those who preach moral and ethical decay by standing toe to toe with their purveyors of foolishness and courageously preaching the glory of America and the prinicples upon which it was founded.

    I recoil at the suggestion that anyone should retreat from an intellectual fight for what is right, and good, and sacred, because of any rule that handcuffs polite debate.

    I remind you of George Washington's timeless wisdom... If free speech is abridged, than dumb and silent we shall go, like sheep to the slaughter.

    C'mon folks, let's start throwing haymakers and stop hiding under our blankets!!!!!!

    Pat Hurley
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    can and do...have strange political ideas...on a regular basis!!!!!!!!! Not something to brag about Huck.... :D ;)

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    Pat Hurley:

    I see your point. I just warn that if you or anyone enter a workplace debate be sure to keep your cool and keep it from becoming confrontational. I personally would attempt to lightly debate a friend or a person I care about (someone who respects my viewpoint) at work but I certainly would not risk a couple as described for which I cared nothing about. People so left rarely move to the right so why waste the energy and risk it getting confrontational and risk anything job related. I just think that something like laying in wait armed with a bunch of facts (true, even) will turn confrontational quickly with this particular couple. I think I'd offer to go out to pizza and make an offer of a discussion. That is a better solution than the afore mention "lay in wait" scenerio. You see it will take more effort than just spouting of a bunch of facts and you have to weigh if it is really worth the effort if you don't even consider this couple worth it.

    Maybe my viewpoint will not work to help move the world to our way of thinking on this matter. I don't know, but I would wish not to let them jeopardize my job over it. Maybe I'm too worried about that but a job is a job and you must protect it if you want to eat. I'd just kiss the couple off as a lost cause, which I'd bet they are.

    LDBennett
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