About Shooting Patches and Conical Bullets ?

Discussion in 'Black Powder Shooting / Muzzleloaders / Handguns' started by TheNewCatfish, May 4, 2011.

  1. TheNewCatfish

    TheNewCatfish New Member

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    I'm a NEWBIE to blackpowder shooting. Here's a REALLY dumb question. If i am shooting a Hornady Great Plains Conical Bullet in a CVA Hawken rifle.. and this type of bullet is "sealing the bore" as the hollow base expands.. Why would i use a shooting patch ? Are there ANY benefits to NOT using the patch ? Are there any deficits to NOT using the patch ?

    Next question. The CVA Buckslayer Conical bullet is said to help utilize "moderate" powder charges. What is a "moderate" charge for a CVA Hawken 50. calber rifle firing this kind of bullet ? And does this Conical round ALSO "seal the bore" and do i use a shooting patch with it as well ?

    Yes. I am serious about these questions and i will be firing these unfamiliar rounds in my new rifle in a few days.. H E L P ! P L E A S E !
  2. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

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    The Hornady conical is (at least it appears to be from looking at their website) a Minie. As such, it would not need a patch. A greased patch is to allow a slightly undersize ball to grip the rifling. A hollowbase bullet that expands to grip the rifling not only does not need a patch, but it seems like a patch would prevent it from working correctly.
  3. Hawg

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    The great plains is not a minie. You don't need a patch with any conical since they all require a short starter to load(minies being the exception). My problem with the great plains is it relies on a knurled surface to hold lube. You need more lube than it's capable of holding to keep fouling down. You'll find the CVA hawken works best with somewhere around 70-90 grains. Also some CVA's used a 1:60 twist which will not stabilize a conical.
    Last edited: May 4, 2011
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