America's Only Real Choice: Constitution or Tyranny?

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  1. Ed Ward MD

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    America's Only Real Choice: Constitution or Tyranny?
    It's the Only Choice the Constitution of America Has Ever Given the People
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    The corporate-government press has given US a myriad of choices. Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Hawk, Dove, Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Fathers, Mothers, Children, Best Interest, No Interest, Patriots, Terrorists,Values, No Values, Stupid, Not Stupid, Conspirators, Conspiracies, Theories, Divinities, etc., are merely labels to divide and divert the people from the only question that needs to be asked of America. Does America Live by the Constitution of America or do we exist in Tyranny? The answer to that Constitutional Question answers almost all the rest of the corporate-government label questions and allows the People to focus on what is Right, Just and the True America.

    "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy." James Madison

    The Father of the Constitution's words and meanings are clear. Anything other than a Historical Background Constitution Interpretation is Tyranny. James Madison wanted to be sure future America could not say, "No one told me." James Madison wanted to make sure future America knew exactly what Interpretation of the Constitution Must Be Used in All Government and Public Circumstances. Deviation from the Historical Background Constitution is Tyranny.

    "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." James Madison

    Virtually all other labels disappear when placed in the Constitution Vs Tyranny context. Most are solved, many of the rest become insignificant. Those that do not fall, others having been solved, in either the Constitution or Tyranny group will be much easier to identify and fix as America can work together in a non distracted concert.

    "Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations." James Madison

    Instead the corporate-government press cranks out labels and pseudo-divisions of each individual aspect of violations of the Constitution, so that the 'labeled' will identify with an individual cause furthering isolation and distraction from the only answer that divides almost all the "labels". Each individual taking their stance for their isolated cause, must decide if their stance is Constitutional or Tyrannical. There is no new or old situation, of which this author is aware, that is not easily settled by the Original Intent Interpretation of the Constitution.

    "Despotism can only exist in darkness, and there are too many lights now in the political firmament to permit it to remain anywhere, as it has heretofore done, almost everywhere." James Madison

    What about this new label not envisioned by the Constitution. All labels have been envisioned by the Original Intent Constitution. There are no labels on the Original Intent Constitution so that it could and does apply to all situations, although the individual circumstance is not addressed, the general circumstance most assuredly is. Example: "More Smarter Tyrant", Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) were not around during the Constitution and could not be envisioned. True, the Constitution does not address ICBMs. It addresses no isolated circumstance or label. But, it does address the attack of America by other nations by a tremendous power no individual could survive. England was most definitely an ICBM to them. For that one nation would have destroyed America in it's entirety. They were in the midst of attack by England as they wrote the Constitution. There is ample reference on America's response to attack by any individual or any tremendous power. The same is true in all aspects of government actions. There is only one Constitutional answer, all other answers are tyranny.

    "The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse." James Madison

    There is no liberal, conservative, or national media. There is only the Corporate Media, barring a few small isolated instances. Do you think corporate media is going to publish anything harmful to corporate media, upset the apple cart, or stop feeding at the trough? The public has had daily bombardments of the "liberal" media by the media, is that not correct? It's the liberals. It's everyone. It's anyone except corporate-government presses. And who told you? Laugh Out Loud, the Corporate Press.

    "The circulation of confidence is better than the circulation of money." James Madison

    It's not liberals and conservatives. It's corporations and tyranny. As long as Americans place the labels of individual circumstance, without regard to Constitutionality, on themselves, tyranny will reign.

    "Wherever there is interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done." James Madison

    My Best to You and Yours,

    Ed Ward, MD,
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  2. CBR1000RR

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    I agree with your point of view. However, America has a long way to go before I would classify it as tyranny :eek: . Maybe bastardized republic or democracy, but not tyranny. Go and look it up in the dictionary.
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    I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. Definitions 1 and 3 could apply to our present government, depending on your perspective. CBR1000RR, you may not think our government is tyrannical, but I'd bet the people at Waco or Ruby Ridge might disagree with you.
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    Of course they would disagree, they're a bunch of lunatics!
    Present a more reputable source of opposition next time. OK, Instead of checking the dictionary, check your history books. Within those pages you wll find out what tyrannical rule actually is. ;)
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    LOL, the dictionary was YOUR suggestion! Since I guess the definition doesn't suit your answer, now you want to breeze past it. Nice dodge.

    Well, that's another nice dodge. Slap the label of "lunatic" on everyone involved. I guess that makes it easier to justify mass murder and the shooting of innocent women and children.

    So far, I'm not impressed by your ability to defend your statements.
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    FYI, I did check the dictionary before posting, just to make sure ;)
    Seriously though why dont you check your history books. The US doesnt even come close to being a tyrannical government.
    Well, the people they were following were obviously lunatics. What does that make them? If you dont agree with me just looking at their crazy ideology, why dont you look at the fact they decided to have a standoff with hundreds of ATF agents armed with automatic weapons outside. If thats not lunacy, I dont know what is. I dont blame the children involved of course, but the parents who voluntarily kept them there, hell yes! Would you be saying the same thing if it was a radical Islamic group holed up in a compund stockpiling weapons?...I didn't think so.
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    Surely you know enough of the facts to know that once the shooting started, David Koresh did not allow anyone to leave. The women and children had no choice but to stay. They were being held prisoner by that point. As for being a radical group "holed up in a compound stockpiling weapons", is that not an American right?

    And Randy Weaver was not a lunatic. Neither was his wife or child. What happened there was murder, plain and simple. It was execution-style murder to prove a point.

    Your vague "history book" reference doesn't hold water either. Just because we haven't reached the level of Nazi Germany doesn't mean this isn't tyranny. But even at the height of Hitler's power and prestige, I'm sure there were good German citizens who didn't think it was tyranny. Because the system favored their ideals. Just as you think everything is hunky-dory right now because the system favors your ideals.

    I repeat myself in saying that it's all relative. Some people in this country may feel like they're living under tyranny. It's hard for me to believe that you live in California and still deny that you're living under tyranny. You must not value your individual rights as much as some people. And that's OK. But each man has a different threshhold.
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    Yes well, I didnt really want this to turn into a Waco discussion. There are some groups that need to be watched out for "an American right" my a*s. You still didnt respond to my comparison about a radical Islamic group stockpiling weapons. Would that change your opinion yes or no? Of course it would. All Im saying is what I said in my original post, it's more like a "bastardized republic" than tyranny. And, yes my constitutional rights are being more violated in California than in Texas (and I recognize the hypocracy not tyranny!) yet I still have this point of view.
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    To answer your question, it's none of my business if radical Islamic people want to own firearms. That's their right just like it's my right. If they try to do something illegal with them, then they forfeit their rights. If they are making obvious signs of planning something horrendous, then sure, I think they bear scrutiny.

    But I would not advocate storming their homes and shooting their women and children just because I didn't like what they were doing. That is tyranny.
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    Sniper,

    Thanks for the assist. I posted another article of mine dealing with examples of tyranny. There is far more than what is in the other article. As to the sniped one, he has no clue. Anyone heard of "Operation Northwoods"?

    Ed
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    yeah, but can you say "out of context"??? Assist? why dont you respond yourself? Im sure you could come up with a good articulate response, being a medical doctor and all (it was important enough to include in your user name) Gee, Im so scared and paranoid Im going to start up a militia and become a conspiracy theory nut. Ever heard of paranoid schizophrenia? Once the black helicopters and x-files agents come to my house and try to take all my guns away, then maybe I'll agree with you.
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    once they come to get your guns...

    Won't that be a tad late for you? 1.7 million Restraining Orders a year 2/3s granted for just the claim of fear of abuse. 1.7 million gun owners each year can no longer own a firearm, ammo or even a sword, and can no longer be in any house with access to firearms, ammo or even a sword. It's been going on for about 10 years, thats 17 million less gun owners. Guns are being sucked up by this government by the millions each year with a lifetime ban.

    Gotta love blind faith in this government. I'm sure it will serve you well.

    No facts? Try personal attacks.

    TR E WAR, III
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  13. LIKTOSHOOT

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    "1.7 million Restraining Orders a year 2/3s granted for just the claim of fear of abuse."


    2/3`s are bogus and you are well aware of it. Attorneys/Lawyers instigate these and push them on their clients, whether the cause be justified or not. Blame who????



    LTS
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    MA the only state to release detail information, 24,000 of 36,000 Restraining Orders were granted on "the claim of fear of abuse". Details in all other states are not released. Even the 1.7 mil is an estimate based on an average number for several states, (the few (about 7 or 8) that release the numbers). They will not even release the total number of ROs to a Senator from the US. Senator Dick of Indiana tried to get them, sent his investigative staff to check it out, NOT AVAILABLE.

    Thanks for the response,

    Ed
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    "2/3 bogus? MA the only state to release detail information, 24,000 of 36,000 Restraining Orders were granted on "the claim of fear of abuse". And I hardly find "the claim of fear of abuse" detailed information.

    I`m sure you know the meaning of "claim" and I stand by my statement that it is one of the first things an Attorney/Lawyer get the client to consider, justified or not. Tell me this isn`t so.


    LTS
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    Sorry LtS,

    Absolutely, you are correct. Sorry about the miss. Indeed, failure to inform the client of the "Silver Bullet" (claim of fear or even abuse) in a divorce case, having become so common, could result in a claim of MALPRACTICE if the client was not informed.

    Check the link for "claim", could be a syn, but, in essence is "UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM".

    Thanks for making sure I got the point.

    My Best to You and Yours,
    (Beware. The facts may be frightening. Can you handle the truth? Jack Nick. grin)

    "In 1999, when asked why a protective order (209A) was obtained, almost 30% (29%) of clients of court-based SAFEPLAN advocates reported having been physically harmed, and 71% stated they were fearful of being physically harmed.
    In the courts covered by SAFEPLAN advocates, on average, 70% of victims receiving initial protective orders returned to court to extend their orders.
    Source: Massachusetts Office of Victim Assistance (2000). SAFEPLAN Massachusetts: A Report to the Legislature. Boston, MA: Author."

    http://www.mass.gov/ccj/dvfact.htm

    Still think you are safe from this governments reach if they want you? Still think you could not possibly be a FELON and not allowed a gun? Take a look at the Jessica Langshaw case in Cali, 8 men being blackmailed for FALSE rape claims at one time. Some of the men hardly knew her. Some of the men just worked in areas she worked. Becoming a felon these days is much easier than you think. Become divorced with children and disabled = FELON or DEATH. FACT

    Under the Patriot Act II this board since it is amassing information it could be classified as a terrorist group. It need not be gun information. ANY collection of news data could be labeled terroristic. FACT. And lots more little fascist FACTS in Patriot II

    Ed
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  17. CBR1000RR

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    Fear of government is healthy, but not at the paranoid level you bring it to. To tell you the truth, Ive seen many domestic abuse situations myself, and I really dont want those type of people owning guns just like I dont want felons owning guns. Its not about what you do, Its about the inability to control one's actions which is extremely dangerous. Your paranoia is bordering on anti-American. You wanna fix the system? Sorry buddy, this is the US.... you have to work with the system, not against, to beat it.
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    If someone’s belief system is different than mine, does that make him or her a lunatic? Even if it does, there is nothing in the constitution prohibiting one from being a lunatic. Now I happen to think the Branch Dividians were nuts, too. But that did not give Janet Reno the right to annihilate them. That is pretty tyrannical to me. Even worse was Ruby Ridge. Randy Weaver and his family were absolutely no threat to the US government or any of his neighbors. There is neither justifiable reason nor excuse for the excesses of the federal government at Ruby Ridge. That said, we are a long way from a tyrannical government. But government is capable of becomming tyrannical.
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    I am pretty much in aggreement with Carl S on this. One of the problems that I have with the Patriot act isnt so much the current administration , but moreso a future one ,like a Hitlery Klinton one. wow can some of that stuff be massively missused.
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