ammo shortage

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  1. fedupdon

    fedupdon New Member

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    thought you would like to here why my local walmart says the are out of ammo the sporting good manager told me that there were two reasons
    1 the war all ammo makers are under contract and cannot keep up the demand i replied that was the best bulls*** answer i had heard
    2 store afarid of the 500% tax increase that is susposed to passed in the next mo did not have a come back for that one so can any one shed any light on this
  2. SaddleSarge

    SaddleSarge New Member

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    Because everyone's buying in advance of additional regulations aimed at ammo:

    "Encoded Ammunition"/Bullet Serialization
    (From the NRA/ILA Website)

    "Encoded Ammunition" (Bullet and Cartridge Case Serialization) Means:

    * Forfeiture of Currently-Owned Ammunition

    * A Separate Registration for Every Box of New Ammunition

    * Outrageously Expensive Ammunition Costs for Police & Private Citizens Alike

    *A Waste of Taxpayer Money, Better Spent on Traditional Police Programs

    In 2007, the sponsor of "encoded ammunition" legislation in Maryland urged lawmakers across the country to introduce the same kind of legislation in their states. The bill would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on "the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round" of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns.

    Reasons to Strenuously Oppose This Legislation

    People would be required to forfeit all personally-owned non-encoded ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-encoded ammunition. Gun owners possess hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for target shooting, hunting and personal protection. Consider that American manufacturers produce 8 billion rounds each year.

    Reloading (re-using cartridge cases multiple times) would be abolished. There would be no way to correspond serial numbers on cartridge cases, and different sets and quantities of bullets.

    People would be required to separately register every box of "encoded ammunition." This information would be supplied to the police. Most states do not even require registration of guns. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration.

    Private citizens would have to maintain records, if they sold ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends.

    The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. For reason of cost, manufacturers would produce only ultra-expensive encoded ammunition, which police would have to buy, just like everyone else.

    A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.

    Shotgun ammunition cannot be engraved. Shotgun pellets are too small to be individually engraved. Shotgun cartridge cases are made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave.

    Criminals could beat the system. A large percentage of criminals' ammunition (and guns) is stolen. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.

    Congress eliminated a similar requirement in the 1980s, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Federal law had required purchasers of handgun ammunition to sign a ledger, but Congress repealed that requirement in 1983 (.22 rimfire) and 1986 (center-fire handguns), because it burdened purchasers, vendors and police, with no law enforcement benefit.
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  3. Vladimir

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    The war has influenced I I think. I suspect war means we go through a lot more ammunition, and last time I checked... the military wasn't reloading their own ammo!

    But like all things, no one single answer provides the whole truth.
  4. 358 winchester

    358 winchester *TFF Admin Staff*

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    it is simple control the ammo and you control the guns :mad: I told you several years ago to start stocking up:confused:
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    358 you are right on. I have been stocking up since the clinton days. like my pops says...."when the SHTF, its all about beans and bullets. i have more bullets, so i will take your beans."
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    Sarge you pretty well put to paper perfectly the most effective method that the gun grabbers can use to neutralize the private citizens armory. Good job and good post!
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    I just had a thought on this. Ok, the ammo companies have gov't contracts for military supplies. I'm just wondering if the gov't has been increasing the size of their contracts lately. If they are, I see it serving three purposes. One, keeping the military supplied. That's most important and I have absolutely no problem with that. If amo that I would be using at the range instead goes to a soldier and helps saves his life, then it's worth it. Two, decreasing the supply available for civilians, thereby decreasing the effectivness of an armed rebellion against Barry's socialist policies and later making it easier to confiscate empty guns. If we have no ammo, we cannot effectively rise up against Barry. Three, ensuring a ready supply of ammo for Barry's Gestapo...er...I mean NKVD....um...I mean National Security Force. These people will be the ones kicking in doors to takes our guns for the greater glory of Barry. And if they have all the ammo, then that makes their job a lot easier.
  8. paulrw

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    Guess I got really lucky. A friend and I each bought .45acp ammo at a local Wal-Mart in the Phoenix, AZ area. Just over $32 for 100 rounds of Winchester 230 gr FMJ!!! It's just a bit more than what we pay for no-name ammo at the local shooting range. Wish we could have bought more.
  9. 358 winchester

    358 winchester *TFF Admin Staff*

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    Oh I would say that just as a guess I might could hold out for a few ye a little while
    chemfantry sir you are welcome tocome to my house bring your supplies but don't bank on getting my beans without a good gas mask :D:D:D ;)
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    358, I tend to ally myself with like minded individuals. And yes, I do have a M40A1 protective mask., with several C2A1 Canisters and JSLIST suits to boot. But not to worry, as I would prefer to seek out liberals just to show them the errors in their ways.:D:D:D
  11. CJ7365

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    My local wallymart, finally had some remington 223 ammo, but $23.99 for 50 rounds I said you can keep it!!, they only had about 5 boxes left.
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    Couple of things here: Law Enforement agencies have been "gearing up" for a couple of years, Swat Team, Homeland Security teams, etc, etc. Alot of ammo and firearms have gone there. Also, the company that has "Invented" the ammunition encoding machines to do all this supposidely (sp) "serialization of ammo" have invested millions to get all the states to pass these bills. I really, sincerely, positively, 100% hope they go broke very soon.:p:D
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    Check out http://horandy.com and you will see the following statement..

    **ATTENTION** Due to unprecedented sales, any factory direct retail ammunition and bullet orders may take 4 to 6 months to ship.
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    Bass Pro shop: 20 rounds of Remington .223 for $9.99 = $.49 per round. . The $23.99 = $.47 per round.. You passed up a good deal...
  15. CJ7365

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    Just received my 1000 rounds of PMC last week from Palmetto $362.00 shipped=$.36 a round:)
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