Another 50 cal ban attempt

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marlin T, Mar 6, 2007.

  1. Marlin T

    Marlin T Active Member

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    Those poor stupid liberals, I almost feel sorry them:mad:
    This is a good justification to ban ALL weapons.




    N.J. seeks ban on .50-caliber guns

    Monday, March 5, 2007


    By TOM HESTER Jr.
    Associated Press Writer


    TRENTON (AP) -- New Jersey is looking to become the second state to outlaw a powerful gun that critics say can be used by terrorists to shoot down an airliner. Democratic lawmakers and Ceasefire NJ, an antigun group, unveiled a plan on Monday to make it illegal to sell .50 caliber weapons in New Jersey.

    California is the only state with a similar law. Maryland strictly regulates the rifle by requiring enhanced background checks and other requirements for its purchase, according to Legal Community Against Violence, a public interest law center that favors gun control.

    Supporters argue the guns are inappropriate for civilian use because they can fire armor-piercing rounds that can penetrate and ignite chemical plants, refineries and rail tank cars. The guns, which resemble hunting rifles, are accurate up to 1“ miles.


    "We can wait for the first time mayhem occurs in our country before we ban civilian sale of these weapons," said Bryan Miller, Ceasefire NJ executive director, "but then dozens of people will likely have died."

    Gregory Paw, director of the New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice, endorsed the legislation. Paw spent 11 months in Iraq advising the new Iraqi government in its war crimes cases against Saddam Hussein and said it was common to hear insurgents using the weapon, which he said was recognizable through it's "deep, hard thud."

    "The only thing that comes out of this weapon is evil," Paw said.

    Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, among the bill sponsors, said he hopes to see hearings in the coming weeks on banning the weapon, which he said could cause major worries if they fall into the hands of criminal street gangs.

    "These guns serve no useful purpose," said Gusciora, D-Mercer.

    Gun rights advocates plan to fight the proposal.

    "This gun ban legislation will not reduce crime because it mistakenly targets the tool rather than the criminal, and the criminal mind will always find another tool," said Scott L. Bach, president of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs.

    New Jersey legislators want to include .50 caliber weapons in the same law that bans explosive devices. Violators would face up to five years in prison and a fine up to $15,000. The proposal would exempt antique guns and traditional rifles that fire a single shot. It would also allow people who own a .50 caliber weapon before the law takes effect to keep their weapon.

    Still, Bach's organization, which represents the National Rifle Association in New Jersey, said the law is misguided.

    "Because of their unwieldy size, extremely heavy weight and $3,000-$10,000 price tag, modern .50 caliber rifles are hardly the choice of criminals," he said.


    http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070305/NEWS01/70305014/1006
  2. charagrin

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    In a way I see their point. What would a law abiding citizen do with a .50 caliber rifle and armor piercing rounds? On the other hand theres plenty of things a troublemaker could do. Someone getting thier hands on, say, a kalashnikov would be bad enough, but a standard 7.62x39 round cant go through a car at 100 yrds.

    "This gun ban legislation will not reduce crime rates because it mistakingly targets the tool rather than the criminal, and the criminal mind will find another tool."

    Usless argument because which is better, A criminal with a pocketknife or a machete?
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  3. durk

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    I think it's size envy. Their just mad because you could stand on one border of their state and shoot that gun clean over the other border.:D :D
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    henry0reilly New Member

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    You are incorrect, sir.
  5. durk

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    I'll let some of the other guys take this one!;)
  6. Marlin T

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    Charagrin you need to learn WHY we have the second amendment.
    When was the last time you went and tried to buy armor piercing rounds?
    My sks sure as heck will put the round into a car at 100 yards, but most cars aren't armored are they.

    So it almost sounds like you live in the UK and agree with there new laws concerning knives, swords and the soon coming rock ban.
  7. Lead Lobber

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    Charagrin - this honest citizen (HC) would have a blast (if I could afford one) with a .50 caliber weapon. Just like I did as a kid with firecrackers and tin cans, .22s, et cetera. Your question seems to imply anyone could do wrong with a .50; at least, that's what I infer. Me, I just want to have fun blowing up refrigerators and old rusty junkers from Detroit and Japan in the woods, but that's just me - I go out of my way avoiding harming any life forms (exception claimed for dangerous humans) unless it's a true hungry type survival situation.

    So what do I need a .50, or a Howitzer for? (oh, boy, would I love to pull the lanyard on one of those babies! :D :D )

    I think you may be posing the wrong question of law abiding HCs. The question should be, why not? Please remember, career criminals don't deserve consideration, because they do not obey the body of law that governs us (HCs).

    In short, I object to any law that limits, licenses, or prohibits private possession of any weapon by the HC.

    From the Lobber of Lead - thanks for the use of the hall! :)
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  8. Lead Lobber

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    HEY! Marlin T, those are fighting words! I happen to like rock bands. ;)

    LL
  9. charagrin

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    I understand the 2nd amendmant, as well as the first. If you have a problem with my opinion, its just that. YOUR problem. I was just saying that I could see their side, not that I agreed.
    As for the 7.62 rounds going through a car, Ive tried it. And while I must admit it depends on the round, Im talking about a real car, not anything past 1980 or so. We have a small car graveyard waaaaay outback in the woods. A few F-150's, a Torino, and what looks like a hot rod. I have yet to go through any of them with my kalashnikov or SKS.
  10. Light Coat

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    Jet liner? Single shot rifle? Is Daniel Boone out there doing promotional shots for these morons. The chances of hitting an aeroplane are just not worth bringing up the subject at all. I know a few people who hunt with BMG's. They do have a useful purpose. Anti-gunners have a useful purpose too; bullet shields for people who are in their right mind.
  11. Marlin T

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    Hummm, you either understand or you don't. To me it seems like you don't.

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    Having waded in, I am now wading out, removing and discarding the $2700 hand made Italian leather loafers (now ruined), and drying my feet. Thanks to the gentle humans that look, learn, and listen. One must gracefully accept life's little failures. A human once said that given infinite numbers of monkeys, typewriters (or lap tops), and time, one [monkey] would eventully pen a full length novel, worthy of the Pulitzer prize for literature.

    Anyone see the "gravity belt" in the Sunday funnies (Brewster Rockit: Space Guy!)? Biggest laugh I've had in several days! :D :D :D

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    That's the starting and final argument against this legislative BS!!
  14. LDBennett

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    What purpose 50 cal rifle?

    How about long distance target shooting. Those things will shoot accurately out into the thousands of yards. Sounds like a contest gun to me.

    The ban worked big time here in California. Yea, right. Barret refused to return any 50 cal guns at his plant that were being repaired that was owned by a Govenment entity from the state of California unless they came an got them. He brought out a version for California that uses some 400 caliber round (not familiar with exactly what it is but his hype makes it seem more desirable).

    This airliner being shot down is stupid. Anyone seen pictures of WWII aircraft that returned from combat with hundreds of bullet holes? One shot from a single shot 50 cal is not going to down an airliner or even a piper cub. Anyone shot clay targets with a shotgun? Easy to hit a moving target from 25 yds? Can you imagine the luck it would take to hit a moving airliner (at 400+ MPH) at thousands of feet in the air with a gun that weighs several tens of pounds. I think it a one in a million chance. And all that would happen is decompression if the fuselage is hit or the loss of one of several motors or a hole in the wing and the plane would land without a problem. What are the chance of hitting the plane and killing a passenger or crew member? One in several billion or trillion or ????

    The game the gun control people are playing is the same way you eat an elephant....one bite at a time. They just take one gun or class of guns away at a time and eventually they are all gone.

    The world seems full of mis-directed people and it seem the majority have chosen politics as their vehicle.

    LDBennett
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    So have I and it has no problem slicing through like butter...Might I refer you to a penetration test I did on a piece of a 3/8" steel jr beam one upon time?

    Link here...

    Click the pictures to enlarge.

    Crpdeth
  16. charagrin

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    Hmmm, I dont know why my guns cant. If it was 1 of them I could understand, but both of them from 2 different countries and manufacture? Its not the ammo either, Ive used multiple types to no avail. They are wal-mart specials, could that be it? Any suggestions?
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  17. Marlin T

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    Crpdeth I didn't see at what yardage you were shooting from. Would you tells us what that was please?

    Great shots by the way!
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    Marlin T

    If memory serves me right I was no more than 40 yards away, 50 would be a stretch...It's been long enough now that I cant recall, but I remember the area I was in and about where I was standing so I know it couldn't have been any further.

    Char

    I know for a fact that I wouldn't have been using Walmart ammo, most likely Milsurp ammo and most definately FMJ.

    Crpdeth
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