Are AR-15's accurate?

Discussion in 'The Pre-Ban Forum' started by 45nut, Mar 15, 2007.

  1. Jay

    Jay Active Member

    Mar 26, 2003
    You can't buy an off-the-shelf AR-15 and shoot groups like the rifle I built up.

    end of my contribution to this thread.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2007
  2. Crpdeth

    Crpdeth Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Location location

    After reading Marks post several times, I really dont think he meant any disrespect by what he said, lets not turn a good informational thread into something that I have to close before the author and aspiring new AR lover even gets to read it please.

    Jay, you have to admit that you have a prize for that price and perhaps your friend gave you a phenomenal deal on some things, while Mark and I need to realize that the build may have been done 50 years ago, done by yourself (saving big bucks). Many, many things to consider here from the glass to the brass.

    I think what we were trying to convey to this potential new buyer though, is that he should not expect to run out and buy a 850.00 dollar Bushy and expect to acheive 5 shot, 100 yrd, dime sized groups...And I believe this has been clearly presented.


  3. Mark

    Mark New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    Jay, I absolutely meant NO disrespect.

    The AR is capable of accuracy like you have achieved. I don't know of any off the shelf rifle that can give the results you are getting. This includes the $2500 custom makers. You have to do the homework.

    You obviously have done a lot of work with this rifle, and my hat is off to you.
  4. sorral

    sorral New Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    I am going to buy my first AR in a week or two. My friends (one a retired cop and gunsmith, the other an armorer for a local police agency,) have talked me out of an Olympic Arms, and now am looking at a DPMS panther.

    They have also talked me out of the collapsable stock, and am going to stick with the A2 stock..

    Going with a flat top, and am going to start with removeable rear sight....hoping to get a nice red dot for christmas or something...

    any pros and cons about the advise I am following?
  5. 300 H&H

    300 H&H Active Member

    Apr 1, 2007
    sorral, you won't go wrong! I have a very early HBAR sporter(colt was onstrike had to wait 4 months to get it) Now I wish it were a flat top as mounting a scope is much easier. Have put 3000 or so rounds through it a nd in ever way I am just as satified as I was the day I got 20 years ago. by the way it was just at $600 back then Happy shooting Kirk
  6. Prichard

    Prichard New Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    AR15 v. Mini-14

    Out of the box, I'd agree a decent AR15 will be much more accurate than a mini-14.

    However, when modified, both guns can be made to be very accurate, with no real difference between the two. The big difference is that it is easier to accruize the AR15 than the Mini-14. Accurizing the Mini-14 is costly and must be done by a competant gunsmith.

    For those of you who don't believe me that a Mini-14 can't be made to be as accurate as an AR15, first look at the Accuracy Systems website and see what they can do with the Mini-14, then comment. You might then ask "why" spend that kind of money accurizing a Mini-14? In free states you probably wouldn't. In non-free states, the AR15 is not available to civilians. Also, don't forget about the full-auto "mini", it's brother the AC556. Some of us couldn't afford thousands of dollars more for a RR M16 and opted for an AC556, but can still afford to have certain reasonable mods done to it to make it a little more accurate in semi-auto.
  7. JD

    JD *VMBB Admin*

    Jan 31, 2001
    !X9 twist rate is for civilians, 1X7 is the real thang! ;)
  8. Mark

    Mark New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
  9. sierra308

    sierra308 New Member

    Nov 20, 2006
    I have an Olympic Arms A3 with a 20" heavy SS barrel,1/8 twist,free float hand guard and a match trigger.$800 from the local gun shop.So far no malfunctions and I shot a 10 shot 1/2" group at 100 yds from a rest using reloads.The 4.5-14 Tactical Leupold VX III sure helped though.So far I really like it.I also have a CMMG Upper 18" barrel 1/8 twist on a Stag Arms lower that shoots almost as well.It will not run some of the cheap surplus ammo,haven't had any problems with any U.S. made ammo.My Bushmaster M-4 will shoot sub moa with good reloads.
  10. sorral

    sorral New Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    I just got done ordering all my parts for my M4. My buddy helped me narrow down my choices(he is the armorer). We ordered a panther flat top upper with a chromed barrel, 4 position collapsible stock, and a removable carry handle... and a single point sling.
    Almost forgot the two 30 round mags.

    should be here in a few days. can't wait to get it built!!!!:D
  11. TRAP55

    TRAP55 Active Member

    I've had 2 pre ban Oly's I'd match up against any Bushy or Colt. The one of the two that was stolen was the prototype for the H-bar..........yes.........they came up with it before Colt even thought about it!
    24" heavy bbl,1-7 twist, free floating fore arm and all internals were hard chromed. With Sierra 69grn BTHP handloads, it would print 1-1.25" groups at 600 meters from a benchrest.
  12. sierra308

    sierra308 New Member

    Nov 20, 2006
    trap55, I have an Olympic Arms Gun I'm trying to identify.It was bought new in 1984,24'' heavy barrel, 1in7 twist,free float fore arm,muzzle break instead of a flash suppressor,no forward assist or brass deflector.The serial # on the lower begins with HK.Any ideas?
  13. Terry G

    Terry G Member

    Feb 19, 2004
    I have two Colt SP-1's. One twenty inch barrel full size, and one 16 inch collapsible stock carbine. Both will do one inch groups at 100 yards with any decent ammunition. Olympia Arms shoot as well as Bushmasters, in my opinion. AR-15's by most makers will out shoot the shooter, so it's just a judgement call. Have fun with whatever you choose.

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  14. whip

    whip Member

    Jan 29, 2006
    I must admit I had the same question about the AR platform. I owned a Mini 14 back in the early 80s and sold it when I couldn't get it to shoot much under 2 or 3inches at 100 yards. Scope mounts were shaky at best for the Mini. Well I went and bought a RRA Predator rifle with a 20inch 1:8 twist barrel. Im extremely pleased with the accuracy. I loaded up some 69 gr Seirra Matchking BTHP bullets pushed by 24.5 grs of Varget. The three shot group was close to .411. Here is a pic of the target. RRA dime.jpg
  15. a1huntingsupply

    a1huntingsupply New Member

    May 10, 2007
    Deer Park, Texas
    Out of the two listed I would go with the Bushmaster. If you are on a budget the Olympic is a great value. They are better now then they use to be in my opinion. The Bushmaster probably cost more than it should but it will retain it's value better.

    My Bushmaster
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