Are we past the tipping point for peaceful change?

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by 45nut, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. 45nut

    45nut Active Member

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    Had a hard time deciding which forum to post this in and decided this was the better spot.

    When I read the news and see Obozo about to make new restrictive laws on fishing (putting 1 million folks out of work) and the DNC pushing so hard to pass Obozo's Nazi healthcare plan with 87% of Americans against it, Sarah Palin supporting Rick Perry??WTF?? and politicians trying their darndest to totally subvert and negate the US Constitution, are we at this point yet?

    That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.


    Do you think we are past the tipping point where the ballot box isn't going to be able to make the required changes to save our country? I sincerely desire to make changes within the system provided but are we in time and do enough of The People know how close we are to despotism?

    Give me some hope folks!!
  2. Deputy Dawg

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    I think we are headng that direction really fast. How many people will really put there life on the line for what they believe in.I wish that at election time enough imformed people would come out and vote and if the person in office is doing his or her own thing and not the will of the poeple then vote them out of office. I now that is only a dream and it wil most likely never happen because there are too many SHEEPLE living in this country.:mad::mad::mad::mad:
  3. JohnTheCalifornian

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    I dont like the way things are going. If it comes down to the scenario where the people throw out the old government and replace it with a new one, just who would they put in charge? The problem we have now is our elected represenatives are not representing our wishes, but rather the wishes of whom ever will line their pockets with money. Until we put a stop to that, we will never truly have represenatives that do the will of the people. Ousting the current government sounds like our only option. But before that can happen we MUST have honorable people to fill the ranks. Which at this time, I do not believe there is.
  4. Trouble 45-70

    Trouble 45-70 New Member

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    That is something isn't it? Destroy jobs and make it impossible or illegal to live off the land. Then there is the possibility of doubling or tripling of cost of energy and therefor everything. The time may be fast approaching.
  5. armedandsafe

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    The poll tax was found to be unconstitutional. Now they want to fine you for not buying government sponsored insurance.

    OK, let's turn that around just a bit. Let's fine those who are eligible to vote but don't do so. If you don't include proof of having voted in a federal election with your 1040, you get fined. I wonder how much of a howl that would set up. hmmmmm

    Pops
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    Pops that is a FINE idea! Went to my first Tea Party last week & brought up voter apathy as the cause of the pickle we are in. I said we can demonize the Left all we want but it was OUR responsibility as citizens to put honest, thoughtful people of character in power & we failed to do so. When was the last time over 20% of eligible citizens voted in a Presidential election? Anyone know?

    Chris
  7. 45nut

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    We seriously need to start a movement to repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to the State Legislatures appointing Senators. That was a major break from what our Founding Father's intent.
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    The lid will come off when Obozo makes all the illegals citizens thereby insuring his re-election particularily if healthcare gets rammed thru on budget reconciliation.
  9. jack404

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    I am not advocating civil war , but do think its time the people rose up as one and marched on government to explain that they need and demand a change , that the laws of your nation allow this and that any attempt to stop this is dictatorship as writen in your constitution

    These people are not the "we the people" as stated in that great document that is the foundation of your nation

    they are out for thier own cause that is against the "people" that the constitution endorses as the ones in charge of the nation

    the current crop of world leaders seem to disregard thier population with regularity and feel it is thier right to do so

    but under your laws they have no right to disregard the population but the population has the right to reject them ( and the obligation to do so !) and to replace them and create a new government that will do what the population wishes

    and yes i agee with Pops regarding voting , but be careful with that too

    in Australia they made votiong complusary the look what we ended up with

    a system whereby the ruling parties can manipulate the votes to thier will so it does not represent the wish of the people but results in the peoples votes being funneled to those who PAY for them

    think i'm kidding, look up Australian electoral law under wiki

    and Terry P is also correct

    making illegals "citizens" only give the powers that be a extra support level that out guns the population , same as what happened here

    all these things where done to Australia some years ago and enforces the idea i have that we where a test case for the takeing over of the USA by the UN backed powers

    good luck and God Bless you all

    jack
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  10. hogger129

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    I think we're going down that road in a big hurry.
  11. GoodOl'12gauge

    GoodOl'12gauge New Member

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    I wont say I advocate it, but I will say im not against it. Just my 2 cents
  12. cycloneman

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    Yes. Here is why. They don't care if they loose seats. They have something up their sleeves. These people are back crap crazy.

    Look at the past year and a half. Look at all the issues attacking america, not saluting or raising his hand to the national anthem. How he treated our allies. How he has treated you and me and toyota. The double standards, and lies.

    I keep remembering how he gave up the eastern block. I also keep remembering how Putan recently rewrote history praising Stallin for killing 29 million in the ukrane.

    I dont know how but i dont think there will be elections in November. Or maybe even anymore. Why is it so hard to realize we woke up in china this morning? We think we can fix this by voting next time. Been thinking that for 30 years now. I not being fooled anymore.
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    Let me also say this to those how have eyes to see and ears to hear. If by chance there is a change and you are able to make money again. Do not fall into the typical American dream of owning a nice big house in some fancy neighborhood. Don't live outside of your means. Look instead to live simple and in a small house in rual areas away from the city. Something easy to heat and cool. What will happen has been written in the bible. If not now then soon enough.
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    Well said cycloneman. I totally agree. And don't forget about Obozo bowing down and showing submissivenss to other nations leaders. You may be right about the November elections but I hope to God that you are wrong.
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    If there are no elections there is going to be trouble at the closed poles. We could have 60-70% turnout if they close the poles. Me for one and if necessary I will be armed. It happened in Tenn. after WW I and will happen again if needed all over the country.
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    Last September almost 2 million people marched on D.C. This September how many will be there? If everyone that is fed up with all this crap would take the time, spend a little of their hard earned money, and we should happen to have 5 - 10 million folks show up .................? How much are you really fed up? Will you be there with me, and my wife? I say this: If you can't be bothered by going to D.C. this september, then will you take up arms if needed? I don't think so! Members, put your money where your mouth is! I challenge you all to make the trip. Go by buss, by car, fly, just get there any way you can! Bum a ride! How much do you want to see Real Change?
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    The article, posted march 7th 2010, further down at this site, addresses this question. I do not condone, nor do I condemn the sentiments of this article. It merely addresses this question.

    http://www.theheartlandusa.com/
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    We are at the exact point, and if the health scam passes, we are passed the point of peacefully saving our constitutional form of government.
  19. Big ugly

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    Fineing those of us who dont vote is a decent Idea but it is not goin to be the answer. The reason most eligible voters dont vote is becouse of the indevidules that are placed on the ballot. Think about it, When was the last time there was a true honest to goodness politician in up fer election that actually did his job by the book and not by his ideals. We need a major downsize in government. We are handing out too much money to these politicians who are out for themselves and their agenda. The political elite in this nation are well off to begin with, the job as a politician was never ment for the blueblood to gain to become more elite. It was ment for the common man to have representaion. It is not like that now and hasnt been since the Federal Reserve was inacted. I would like to go back in time and place a hit on ole Rockefeller and his band of bluebloods there on Jeckyll Island when they decided it was in the best if they turned the US government into a money makeing corperation instead of REPUBLIC that is was supposed to be. The problem with a Republic is that there is no room for a politician to become rich, thus the lean towards Democracy. Now the money flow is not great enough so the Democratic way is not working. In Socialism the money goes directley into the government for distribution. The policians line their pockets FIRST then what is left over gets turned into the economy and social programs, SSI, Welfare,ETC.
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    I'll go. I'll bring my friends with me who are also fed up with Obama.
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