Arrested for reading the Bible

Discussion in 'Religious Discussions' started by jack404, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    video here

    “Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little bit of the word of God this morning.”
    The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.
    “You can preach on your own property,” an officer from the California Highway Patrol tells Mackey as he leads him away in handcuffs. “Folks, this is what the United States is coming to,” Mackey says to the crowd, who were standing outside waiting for the DMV to open. “You can talk about anything you want, but you can’t talk about the Bible.”

    Mackey is a reverend with Calvary Chapel Hemet, a conservative Christian church that practices an “evangelical ministry,” requiring public testimonials and Scripture readings.
    Church officials believe Mackey was arrested because of “Christian bigotry.”
    The officer who made the arrest disagrees, claiming he arrested Mackey for preaching to a public audience who had no choice but to listen.
    “You’re not allowed to preach here," he told Mackey, “because this is a captive audience.”
    Mackey’s lawyer calls that “ridiculous.”
    “That doesn’t make sense in America,” says Robert Tyler of Advocates for Faith and Freedom, a non-profit law firm which defends Christian Liberties. “If the doctrine of the captive audience is going to apply broad brush, no one is going to be allowed to [preach in] a public park…that’s not America.”
    Tyler also points out Mackey was cited for “impeding an open business,” but he points out the DMV wasn’t even open at the time.
    “The DMV was closed,” he said. “They had no business arresting him.”
    Not so, observes constitutional attorney Dan Conaway, saying those waiting for the DMV doors to open have no choice but to listen to Mackey.
    “He's creating an intimidating situation for people who simply want to get their drivers licenses renewed,” says Conaway, who says it’s OK to preach in public, but not when your listeners can’t leave.
    “He does not have the right to intimidate others and force them to listen and impede their ability to do normal business activities such as going to the DMV.”
    Tyler points out that the “captive audience” statute requires more than simple intimidation.
    “Mackey had to be threatening them. Is reading the Bible threatening?”
    Tyler says that, in the end, Mackey has simply been charged with trespassing.
    How can that be trespassing?” Tyler asks. “This is a public place. He was not blocking or impeding anyone. He was standing over 50 feet from the entrance. This is crazy.”
    Mackey sees it in biblical terms.
    “The devil is holding everyone captive to do his will," he said as he was led away. “Repent, and trust in Jesus Christ. Judgment Day is coming, folks.”

    Read more:

    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    i guess the minister here got a heap of Blessings , and i reckon we all will before this is done

    get set folks

    hard times for believers ahead
  2. rosierita

    rosierita Active Member

    Mar 13, 2004
    South Carolina
    :eek: :rolleyes:

    pure junk!! & that's the cleanest version i can come up with.

    interesting times are ahead y'all. :eek:

    thank you for posting this jack.

  3. Sorrowful Jones

    Sorrowful Jones New Member

    Nov 15, 2010
    I wish I could be on that jury... I would aquit the guy.
  4. Sorrowful Jones

    Sorrowful Jones New Member

    Nov 15, 2010
    This reminds me of an incident I once witnessed. I was in a Whataburger and there was guy in there who was standing in the order area "preaching". More correctly, he was rambling. Sadly, it appeared to me he was not in his right mind. To me it was clear this guy was a mental patient, but as I listened to his words I noticed that he was absolutely right on the mark when it came to quoting the Bible.
    I noticed the employees and other customers were concerned, not knowing what this guy might do. The manager showed up and was talking to the guy when the cops got there. I have to hand it to Houston PD. They were very kind to the guy talked him into leaving, and did not arrest him.
  5. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Just more evidence of the police state that we live in. I noticed that he, Mackey, was eventually charged with trespassing! On public property? Truth is that none of the charges were valid, but they were not going to let that stop them, so they just made up a charge. If I were Mackey I would sue them so hard that they would be afraid to charge any one with any thing for a long time!
  6. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    been there myself recently i opened a talk and someone later later complained as they opening had a prayer .. , but calling the cops ?? heck ..
  7. BlackEagle

    BlackEagle Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2011
    Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind.

    What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture...

    Just an idea...
  8. raven818

    raven818 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2011
    Jax, Fl.
    Good idea. If there's any complaints, the complainant was eavesdropping on a private conversation.
  9. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    I agree. My wife and I were eating at Costco in Boise, and before we ate I prayed over our food just like I always do. So, I began praying just as I do at home. I finished with an amen and suddenly this older short man stands up and shouts, "Thank you for saying grace for me too.": I looked up at him and he was giving me a big ol' thumbs up and then other people around my wife and I began giving us a thumbs up. Later I went to refill my cola and a man approached me and thanked me for praying. I think there are more people that appreciate it than our govt. lets on.
  10. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    way more .. same here too ..
  11. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    That sure shows you how carried away the govt. can get. The majority gets muzzled and chained and the minority get the special treatment. It's wrong, so wrong.

    How you doin Jack?
  12. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    cant complain , nice Service this morning ( sunday 12:36 pm here now) weather is cold and wet so doing paperwork and chasing democrats and socialist who owe big taxes to get ready for the new IRS law that'll allow em to take your guns and limit your travel rights ..

    they wont go ahead with it if all their shining stars and czars are the first ones named and shamed about how much they owe ..

    other than that , a quiet day eh .. ;)
  13. 76Highboy

    76Highboy Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    That's nice Jack.
  14. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Dec 20, 2008
    West Tennessee
    This is a great idea, BlackEagle!

    It is threatening to those who practice Homosexuality.

    It is threatening to those who believe the world owes them a living.

    It is threatening to those who do not want to deal with a righteous God.

    It is threatening to those who are practice sex outside of marriage.

    It is threatening to those who destroy their bodies with drugs.

    It is threatening to those who lie.

    It is threatening to those who cheat.

    It is threatening to those who steal.

    It is threatening to those who have chosen to follow false gods.

    Yes indeed, the Bible is VERY threatening.

    In fact, there is only one thing more threatening than learning what is in the Bible - - -

    NOT learning what is in the Bible!
  15. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    again , hear hear !!!
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