ATI GSG-5 Owners! Warning! You're a FELON!

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  1. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

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    See the news release from ATI below. Your gun is now illegal and you have committed a felon by mere possession. The gun is now a NFA weapon (just like a machine gun!)

    The BATF has removed its approval of this gun because the BATF deems the Fake suppressor a "silencer" by their definition, not by actual testing. Tests show it is not a silencer but that does not stop the BATF from claiming it to be one AFTER they approved it for importation and sale months ago. They jerked the ATI importation license in January 2010 and made arrangements with ATI to replace the consumer's original fake suppressors with an "approved" one. The BATF has made no official statement and refused to let ATI release all the correspondence associated with this matter, according to the ATI CEO. The BATF claims consumers will be given an amnesty but refuses to state it in writing (such a legal declaration might effect their pursuit of you as a felon in the future ??).

    Your Government in action!

    There is an 11 page post at http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=305635&page=1

    ROCHESTER, NY – -(AmmoLand.com)- On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced.

    It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act. American Tactical will provide a replacement shroud at no charge for each GSG 5 SD model sold or currently in inventory.

    Consumers in possession of a GSG 5 SD model with the original shroud in place on the firearm are now in violation of the NFA. To avoid continued violation of the NFA, ATI asks that all persons in possession obtain a replacement shroud as soon as possible. We anticipate arrival of the new shrouds to begin by the middle of February 2010.

    IMPORTANT: THE ORIGINAL SD MODEL SHROUD MUST BE RETURNED ACOMPANIED BY THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER BEFORE A REPLACEMENT SHROUD IS ISSUED. THE DIAMETER OF THE SD SHROUD IS 1-9/16”. DO NOT RETURN THE SMALLER CARBINE SHROUD.

    WHAT TO DO:
    If possible return your old shroud to the dealer where purchased and show him this notice. The shroud will be returned to ATI along with a list of serial numbers from the guns that the shrouds were removed. ATI will send replacements to the dealer for pick up at your convenience; ATI will be sending replacements as fast as logistics allow. If your dealer is out of business or difficult to reach, or you purchased your gun used, from a consumer, return the shroud directly by US mail or UPS to American Tactical Imports Inc. 100 Airpark Drive Rochester, NY 14624.

    PLEASE TRY NOT TO CALL US. We will provide comprehensive information on our web site www.americantactical.us , and www.ar15.com or by e-mail to atiexchange@americantactical.us

    REMEMBER, INCLUDE THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER WITH EACH SHROUD OR A REPLACEMENT WILL NOT BE ISSUED.

    This action IS NOT being instituted through any fault and is strictly due to NFA compliance. American Tactical will assume the responsibility to satisfy the requirements in an effort to minimize the impact on our customers and protect your investment.

    We at American Tactical Imports Inc. sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this unfortunate situation.

    Sincerely,
    Anthony DiChario
    President C.E.O.
  2. wpage

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    Tax dollars in action...
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  3. JLA

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    what a bunch mofos. Does this mean the Krinker Plinker kits are NFA also???
  4. LDBennett

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    What I find distressing is the BATF's lack of responsibility for this situation and the fact that, for some reason, they refuse to put anything in writing to the consumer who at this point is now a felon.

    As always with the BATF they interpret the law however they want regardless of the facts or science. My guess is that if they don't make waves and create work for themselves they would be out of a job.

    I hope someone with some power steps up and straightens this out, like a lawyer with some clout or maybe a congressman.

    LDBennett
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    Hmmmm, sounds like the EPA. Make a regulation, change the regulation.
  6. Jim K

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    The real problem is the way BATFE works. They do not require that companies making firearms or firearm related items submit them for approval in advance. Some companies with questionable products do that, but it is not required.

    BATFE has the authority to determine if a given product comes under the definition in the law of an NFA "firearm". So Company X makes and sells a firearm or other item that they damned well know is skirting the edge, but goes ahead anyway. BATFE sees the item for sale, buys one, and determines that it does come under the NFA. Then they play "catchup". Could they just say that the ones already owned are OK? Maybe. They could say the items already sold must be registered, or they could decide that they must be recalled. It is a tricky issue; on the one hand, they are called "Gestapo", on the other they are accused of not enforcing the law.

    Anyway, not much anyone can do about it, except refuse to return the fake suppressor and risk a fine or imprisonment just to look like some kind of macho hero. IMHO, not worth it even for a real suppressor, let alone a fake.

    Jim
  7. rjhauser

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    ok, lets see, this has been an issue for 3 months that ATI has acknowledged and had BATFE agents there every day dealing with.

    first, this is ONLY THE SD model.

    you make it sound like all ATI GSG owners are breaking the law. there is no law breaking .. this is an amnesty period to get the problem resolved. no resolution - felon.

    although the BATFE made an issue where IMO there is none, they APPROVED the gun for import, authorized the parts in question, and approved the licensing, then changed their mind.

    ATI did NOT skirt it, Chris @ ATI has the approval letter and posted it on AR15.com, as well as the re-determination letter.

    THe problem is the way the BATFE can REDETERMINE AFTER APPROVING that they suddenly change their mind.
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    WRONG POST ON MY BEHALF....Can I get this deleted?
    Please delete!
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  9. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

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    rjhauser:

    Can you point me to the declaration in writing by the BATF that:

    1). Declares the fake suppressor to be a silencer.

    2). Declares an amnesty period for current owners.

    3). Declares the BAFT will be giving Certificates of Compliance (if the new one looks like the old one how is a LEO to know the difference and some LEO's might assume you are wrong).

    Once they declare the the gun an NFA, it is at that point illegal and if you have one you are in trouble. Only the BATF's pronouncement of amnesty holds water. Where is it? I would like to read it.

    ATI, not the BATF, claim it to be only the one model... today. Who knows about tomorrow. The other models, if they also have a fake suppressor may be next. With the BATF who knows.

    We are forced by Government to play by the rules (the Rule of Law). The BATF needs to follow those rules too, not create a problem for thousands of owners of a product without a paper process. Remember they refuse to let ATI print any of the documentation they supplied ATI (who knows why?.... coverup of their mistake as they had already inspected the gun before now and rescinded their earlier decision??)

    This is not a light problem but a real problem. The BATF needs to take care of it in the correct way to avoid legal problems for the consumers. This reeks of a typical BATF situation... jump then cover your track. Do you remember WACO and a few other BATF incidents?

    A "promise" to not prosecute by the BATF is only as good as the paper it is written on. Where's the paper????

    LDBennett
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