Auto Kahr Thompson

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  1. dirtyjap

    dirtyjap New Member

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    I'm thinking about buying aone of the new Auto-kahr Thompsons any thoughts or opinions.I heard both good and bad.
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  2. warpig

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    I think we got a guy who knows quite a bit about these. I will go roust him out.
  3. NuclearMeltdown

    NuclearMeltdown New Member

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    I hear they're pretty heavy. Would be awesome to shoot though:D

    If ya get one keep us posted. It would be interesting to hear what ya think.
  4. dirtyjap

    dirtyjap New Member

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    I've wanted one for awhile But though the new ones could only accept 10 round sticks.I've seen them in Shotgun News for about $800 so I should be able to get it for about $1000 (Dont have FFL) I want the Private Ryan combat model not the Perdition pimp gun. Am I correct in thinking that they accept 30round mags if not I dont see the point.
  5. Admin

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    First, let's understand that the semi-auto version looks
    similar to the original full auto Thompson however,
    there are several differences, below are some of
    them.

    AO was not the original mfg of the Thompson, Colt,
    Savage to name two, were original mfg's. AO mfg'd
    approximately only 609 of the sub-guns, and these
    AO produced sub-guns were not mfg'd during war
    times, they were mfg'd prior to the 1986 transferable
    NFA ban and granted C&R status, plus the usual
    paperwork needed to transfer these guns.

    The AO semi-auto Tommy's had mostly all hand
    fitted parts, so it would be rare for two identical
    semi's to be able to interchange parts without
    a little tapping/grinding/fitting etc.

    The SMG's inner receiver parts, are for the most part
    totally different than the semi auto carbine's version.

    The receivers on the semi's are newly mfg'd and
    just about totally different on the inside than the
    sub-guns are, i.e. made not to be able to convert
    to select fire.

    The bolt/carrier combo is again, drastically different
    than the SMG is..... The bolt system in the SMG was
    of high quality precision made steel that held a
    traditional (rounded) firing pin whereas, the bolt on
    the semi (in most cases) had to be aligned and tested
    for freedom of movement into battery, usually by placing
    the square block end of it into a vice, tapping (heavily)
    on the round extended top portion of it (where the flat-
    & hand ground free floating firing "type" pin would be)
    and placing it back into the receiver, then shaking the
    receiver briskly for clear signs of freedom of movement
    into battery. In most cases this had to be done more
    than a few times to each bolt/carrier-combo in order to
    achieve success.

    The firing pin on the semi's were of a flat stick type
    piece of steel with a slightly narrow end that was
    usually placed on a grinding machine, and ground
    just right in order to function properly enough to
    pass through the bolt carrier and hopefully strike
    the primer on the round, to where the carbine would
    fire. The pins in the semi's were also "free floating"
    firing pins, I myself am not a big fan of the free -
    floating firing pin system in any of my personal choices
    of firearms, as there is little to no shock absorbsion
    when a round is fired, thus escalating the odds of
    breakage to the firing pin, especially with repeated
    use and or rapid fire, especially in cases of which
    one may need to rely on a firearm under defensive
    circumstances when ones life may depend upon the
    reliability of any particular firearm. If given the choice,
    of firing pin systems, my personal preference would
    always be a spring loaded firing pin system, or
    possibly a titanium firing pin if possible. I hope that
    Khar has improved upon this system, my guess is
    that they probably have made several improvements
    to the entire product line. I highly doubt that the old
    antiquated process of years gone by, is as it used to
    be.

    The SMG's have a 10-inch barrel whereas, the semi-
    carbine versions have a 16-inch barrel, as to comply
    with federal standards of OAL (overall length). The
    semi-barrels (at the time) were installed by method
    of a 2-step process (if memory serves me right) that
    consisted first of a 2-part bonding solution, one being
    the spray/hardener and the other being the bonding
    glue type solution that was placed upon the threads
    of the chamber end to be screwed into the receiver.

    The second step was to screw the barrel into the
    receiver, then use a hand torque tool (11 or 12 lbs-
    I think) to complete barrel installation....... The "Cuts"
    compensator or front site (depending on model) was
    also installed using the bonding solution too, but I
    don't recall if torque was palso part of the proccess.

    The sights although at the time were drilled & tapped
    for screw down attachment, were riveted to the
    receivers, I would guess to speed up production as to
    improve cost effective wise, although in some cases
    and after periods of use, the vibration may cause the
    rivets to loosen, thus causing the site base/housing
    to rattle resulting in difficulty in getting steady shot
    group placement.

    AO had plenty of stock piled/original SMG wooden
    buttstocks, forearms/grips & 30rd stick mags that
    used to come with these carbines also. New drum
    mags were plentyful at the time too however, one
    of the various differences between the military type
    copy, was that the M-1 Military version would only
    accept stick mags, the receivers were not cut to
    take both the drum & stick mags whereas, the
    other models will accept either one. Whether
    that has changed now, I don't know.

    As to an actual opinion of these semi-auto carbines,
    I can only say that back several years ago, there was
    more than one builder, some would build the handguns,
    and some would build the Tommy carbines. On the whole
    (at that time) whether an A+ firearm was the end result,
    basically depended upon several things, as for instance,
    who did the build/work, and out of the more than one
    receiver contractors over the years, the quality control of the
    receivers, the receiver QC, the builder quality, and QC of the parts, usually plays a key role , in my opinion.

    The firearms, both handguns & semi Tommy's that were
    built well, were fine shooters, the semi Tommy's would
    group fairly well out to 100yds. However, they didn't
    function too well with lead cast bullets, they prefered a
    strict diet of jacketed rounds, but that stands to reason,
    as the Tommy's were never meant for lead, they were
    made to fire jacketed bullets i.e. FMJ's (Full Metal Jacket)
    specifically.

    As far as the way Khar's quality control standards are as
    to the way these firearms are made since the take over
    of AO, I can't say because I don't know, but if it's anything
    like the QC standards that their handgun reputation lives
    up to, then I would dare say that reliability & quality will
    have greatly improved, and if so, I would have no doubts
    about purchasing one of these fine semi-auto replica
    Tommy Guns. They're a lot of fun to shoot too!:)

    Just my opinions, not meant to be taken any other way!
  6. Boomatic

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    Showoff!:D
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  7. warpig

    warpig Guest

    Can you repeat that?;) ;) ;)

    Thanks Steve, I thought you might have a word or two about these.
  8. Admin

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    Wait, I'm not done, part two is comming up, may take a day or two, but there are a few points and a second part of the post
    that I didn't have time to touch upon.

    :D Back to ya!:)
  9. Smokin Guns

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    Gunna pic up...

    Where Tac left off...My experience at least with the Thompson semi-auto...is I wish I would have picked up a "commando"...did not like the "pimp" version...some feller came along with an offer I "couldn't refuse"...but, will tell you with the 30 rd. mag. and the drum...it is a well made gun!...the "pimp" version just wasn't comfortable for me!...;)

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