Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Slimslam, Nov 3, 2004.
Mine as well.
I did that sort of thing in 1992 by voting for Ross Perot. I "showed" Bush 41 and helped elect Clinton. Felt bad about it ever since. Even though there were things that Dubya did that I didn't like, he was and still is a lot better alternative than sKerry. Each to his own, I guess.
we libertarians gotta start somewhere...just think if Clint Eastwood ran the Lib. ticket....(unfortunately, name recognition is key 'cuz the friggin' biased media wouldn't be able to ignore a household name).
me too....old baddie then republican after that (he was the only liber in my ballot)
Glad to hear you voted Libertarian, Slimslam. And see? You didn't cost Bush the White House. Don't listen to those fear-mongering Republicans when they start sounding like Chicken Little.
I'd definitely vote for Clint Eastwood. I hear Robert Duvall is also a Libertarian. He'd probably make a fine President too. Better than most of the choices we've had lately, anyway.
Well, dont feel too bad, I did that too Gunfyter. Probibly for the same reasons you did and felt the same way. I bet we could have an interesting conversation huh? LOL
There are better alternatives to both of them.
People just need to have the courage to vote for them, and not wait for someone else to take the first step.
I didn't vote for any Libertarians but I did finally read up on them this time for future reference. We NEED a viable third party to give good people another avenue to run.
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams
3rd Party Presidential Candidate Jail Debate: Round Two
Jail Debate: Round two is here. Difficulties in finding the correct prison facilities are making the debate itinerary hard to finalize. So many prisons, so few 3rd party Presidential Candidates (PCs). By publication time, a hearing will have been conducted in the case of the Arizona Libertarian Party v. the Arizona State University and the Commission on Presidential Debates. This attempt was to shut down the Bush - Kerry debate, scheduled for Wednesday or allow access for 3rd party participation.
"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." James Madison
One has to wonder what good it will do for the Honorable Judge Pendleton Gaines, Superior Court of Maricopa County, to dispense another Order, unless of course it is in favor of this government and against the Constitution. It appears as though only favorable decisions for this government are carried forward and actually served. An issued Order to Show Cause was simply not served previously. Why will this time be any different? What makes this judicial paper any different than the previous one that was simply left to sit in a file on a desk. This government is refusing to serve this government. The judge seems to be impotent unless this government does it's Constitutional Duty. One would have to think this judge could do something regarding those in this government under his jurisdiction that need to be held accountable. Or the judge needs to be judged.
"[The legislature] are bound to leave this particular right untouched and sacred, [or] we must say, that they may control freedom of the press, may abolish the trial by jury, may swallow the Executive and the Judiciary Powers of the State; nay that they may despoil us of our very right of suffrage." James Madison
The National Press is Officially AWOL. (Absent Without Leave)
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe." Thomas Jefferson
There is no longer a "national press". After two Presidential Candidates were arrested via Constitutional Rights violations, without any coverage to the general public. They will henceforth be called the 'corporate mess press'. Don't worry, the corporate press will have clear orders from their corporations and government to stay clear of the courthouse and jail debate areas. Rumor has it there was a Restraining Order, granted the corporate press, because they were 'afraid' and fearful of harm by PC Badnarik's and PC Cobb's platforms of government. If either, PC Badnarik or PC Cobb get within 500 yards of any corporate press member, their home, work, places they might frequent (the butts of the democrat and republocrat political parties), any family members of the corporate press or their corporate bosses, there will be a 'Rounding up of the usual suspects...' and the Jail Debate will be held prior to the standard 'on the day of the fascist parties debate'. If any corporate press do happen to wander by, the debate will be stopped and moved to a prison at least 500 yards away. This will cause serious prison transportation problems for both PCs as there are many in the corporate press, their habitats, etc., but, this government is determined to make sure corporations and government power are safe from corporation and government fear. Hopefully, the most viable 3rd Party Presidential Candidate will get a chance to put a Restraining Order on this government. Only time will tell.
"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people, by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations." James Madison
One has to admire these two fine patriots. Volunteering for oppression by this government for the sake of their beliefs and their constituents beliefs. These are not 'kissin' cousins'. They are rivals. Neither was afraid to become a soldier for their cause. They joined together for their rights against a government restraining those rights. They make a nice team, a dynamic duo for a Constitutional Republic. Rivals, yet, comrades in arms. Fellow patriots addressing a Constitutional cause was their only combined statement.
"With earnest prayers to all my friends to cherish mutual good will, to promote harmony and conciliation, and above all things to let the love of our country soar above all minor passions , I tender you the assurance of my affectionate esteem and respect." Thomas Jefferson
Some of the people will learn of the outcome of the Debate Debacle. Based on the government and corporate press suppression of information, things do not look good for a meaningful debate. If a worst case scenario evolves for the fascist political parties requiring a 3rd party 3rd debate, they cancel the last debate, or the court document just sits waiting to be served, or the judge will overrule the Constitution, or whatever. But, the fascist's parties can not allow a 3rd party debate. It would be political suicide for the public to become aware of the rights of the people and the Constitutional restrictions on this government that need to be returned to America. If this denial of rights continues, what then?
"How soon we forget history... Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
This country is 20 days away from a presidential election without national exposure of the 3rd party candidates platforms. The time is brief for the task at hand. The numbers of both informed constituents 3rd parties is less than either major party. Another arrest is not going to get corporate press to address any more than the first. The platforms are still without exposure to the general public. It would seem that extraordinary measures will need to be taken by the 3rd parties. Word of mouth, home printers and the disassociated internet groups are all that is available at present. Something besides the 'Jail Debate' needs to be done to get the people to spread the word of a true Constitutional Republic. TV ads and 60 grand will not go far in that media. Wouldn't that money go further in Newspaper ads? Others are usually around where newspapers are found. And the interested readers already have something to copy or distribute. The viewers aren't left with much after an ad on TV.
"The firmness with which the people have withstood the late abuses of the press, the discernment they have manifested between truth and falsehood, show that they may safely be trusted to hear everything true and false, and to form a correct judgment between them." Thomas Jefferson
There seem to be two 3rd parties that are symbiotic and work well together. It would seem the perfect blend. More numbers are needed. Since a Badnarik/Cobb ticket is not possible now, the most viable candidate needs to stay in the election. With 48 state ballots in his pocket, that would be Badnarik. There seem to be few differences in the Green and Libertarian parties' platforms. All the environmental issues should easily be adopted by the Libertarian party as they are well within the Constitutional platform of the Libertarian party on basic inspection. The limited publicity by withdrawal of the Green party now, would certainly help viability of a PC that has aligned with the acceptable and needed Green party platforms. It would be a sacrifice for the Green party, but, the viability of their platform could be maintained. The Green Party's stance on women rights should perfectly acceptable in the Libertarian view as long as those rights are not "more equal" than any other's rights. It's the rights of families and individuals, subverted by this government, that needs to be addressed. Not making one gender "more equal" than another. As long as ANY individual has the rights of ALL other individuals under the return of the Constitution to America, there is no need for 'gender tissues', which divide the public against itself, when there are Constitutional rights issues denied by a government of tyranny.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin
The other semi-similarly platformed party seems to have two problems with unity. The Reform Party is heavily endorsed by NOW (National Organization of 'Womyn' Women). Their views are contrary to the Libertarian Party platform in that NOW needs rights that make them "more equal" than other people and have consistently presented false information toward that end. Two problems the Libertarian Party can not abide.
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." "I think with the Romans, that the general of today should be a soldier tomorrow if necessary." Thomas Jefferson
The other problem is Nader. While he is most likely fit enough for the Presidency, I doubt he is fit enough for the "Jail Debates" that seem to be required in this oppressive and suppressive government. It appears there could only be unity in the Libertarian and Green parties. The so called Reform Party would need to do some reforming to distinguish itself from the other fascist 'crat parties. The same is true of the Constitution Party. They could use a little more Constitution in their Constitution Party. Their stance on abortion is not compatible with the Constitution, and therefore, incompatible with the Libertarian platform. Unfortunately, the Reform and Constitution Parties only value to a true Constitutional Republic is to draw votes from the fascist 'crat parties.
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams
With 160 million eligible voters, or even the 40 million active voters, the chances of casting the deciding vote in any national election are infinitely less than the chances of picking the winning lottery numbers. On the other hand, James Madison has stated, "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." James Madison. That's good enough for me. Government case and vote discussion closed. I claim the rights to America's Constitution by Heritage. The principles of this Constitution of America as Originally Interpreted, the only ratified interpretation, are the Rights I claim from America's Founding Fathers. The fascist 'crats of both the major parties are nothing but tyrants & fascists.
"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." James Madison
Who am I voting for? Michael Badnarik. The only Viable Presidential Candidate aligned with the Constitution and on 48 state ballots. I am voting for 'people rights' and 'government's Constitutional restrictions'. No other man has the right to tell me what to do with the life granted to me by God, Nature and Evolution. He is nothing more than me, and I am nothing more than him. No other man has the right to take God's, Nature's and Evolution's Rights from me. "Throw my vote away?", you say. ROFL, Roll on the Floor Laughing, I will vote for Right, Rights, Peace, Property and Prosperity. To do other is to promote the current tyranny in cowardice.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Portions of the above article were written in satire. The entire article is nothing more than my, Thomas Jefferson's, Benjamin Franklin's, James Madison's, George Washington's and John Quincy Adams' Opinion. The views expressed are not necessarily the views of any others, except those demanding the return of the Constitution to America in all US government applications.
To preserve the freedom of the human mind … and freedom of the press, every spirit should be ready to devote itself to martyrdom; for as long as we may think as we will, and speak as we think the condition of man will proceed in improvement. The generation which is going off the stage has deserved well of mankind for the struggles it has made, and for having arrested the course of despotism which had overwhelmed the world for thousands and thousands of years. If there seems to be danger that the ground they have gained will be lost again, that danger comes from the generation your contemporary. But that the enthusiasm which characterizes youth should lift its parricide hands against freedom and science would be such a monstrous phenomenon as I cannot place among possible things in this age and country. Thomas Jefferson
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