banned again , non religious folks input requested

Discussion in 'Religious Discussions' started by jack404, May 1, 2012.

  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Got myself banned from Live Leak forums , particularly the firearms section

    only made 2 posts , guess they didn't go down so well ..

    probably the prayer i said ...

    folks be funny about someone expressing a desire for the Good Lord to help someone hurt in a accident, no fault of anyone , get better asap ..

    banned, all posts removed , still got the accounts and channels though , strange eh , they like my vid's but not my posts

    i'm a baaaaad boy ;)

    but seriously , if the non beleivers who read this part of the forums , and theres a few .. ;) can chime in,

    if you stated your friend got hurt and could lose his house if the injuries dont heal fast and i prayed for your friend , is that offensive ?

    i could just offer my best wishes for your friend but i personally beleive God is way better than wishes and dont care who you be , only someone is praying for that person

    heck i pray for the Uma ( all of the Muslims , TO GET OUT!!! )

    I pray for hurt critters i see in the scrub , even politicians

    cause they all need the help ..

    but i dont mean it as shoving my faith down anyones throat ..

    honest .. i have seen some who are like that though so can see that side too

    but for the most part , most churchy types aint doing it to be better , they just doing their very best to help in their beleif.. and that too i think is honest .

    and you say ?
    Last edited: May 1, 2012
  2. JasonS

    JasonS Member

    Mar 24, 2012
    UHG California
    My best friend is a non believer, and we have our discussions now and then, we respect each other though we disagree on things. I am in to science as well, I dig fossils, meteorites, and so on, but my faith and belief in God remains based on what I have seen and been through that I can not deny.

    Be careful how much you let your heart get into it on the internet.

    Some people, as I have known 3 for certain personally, will attack you with strong hurtful motives on purpose just to drive you mad. They admitted it and I find it hard to understand how some people take time out of life to be like that.

    You either believe in it or you dont, or yor not sure. Its the perfect making for internet and life long battles of the minds and mouths.

    I have to say that certain non believers can get very verbally violent extremely fast.

    Plenty of non believers are strong in my heart however. I am in hopes that they could see and feel what I have and do, but other than sharing it with them, Im not supposed to be forceful about it.

    However, if they get bothered if you bring it up more than they want, even just telling about it in your life, then they need to rethink hanging out with you. Same goes the other way around. Some of our paths are not to be the same together.

    From what I understand of your OZ accent, you said you would pray for someone who was hurt?

    They made you out to be a buffoon or something?

    Maybe its just not allowed at all, and we know rules are rules, its a most heated topic as you know lol.

    I had a guy at work once say he hates these stupid fn Christian holidays, at X mass. I calmly told him to stop talking like that around us that its not right at work, he told me to shut up and I tried to reason with him. He said it was a free country and raised his hands up yelling Jesus was a fn fa@@@@. I didnt kill anyone that day so I guess I dont get QUITE as offended as some people lmao.

    I dont see how what you did could be even close to offensive but man some people are full, and I mean FULL of hate either way. You just never know. I prayed for the guy who was at my work, all the time, I hate his ways but I know its up bringing and life that can create that hate so I dont hate the person, just the actions.

    Ill keep you in my prayers lol.

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    heck i'm the egg head science nut in my bunch of friends .. but science only tells me more about my Faith , its part and parcel of it , dunno why folks think Faith and science are to be kept seperate eh ..

    one helps me work out the other and visa versa
  4. Jim Duncan

    Jim Duncan New Member

    Feb 11, 2012
    Winter Haven, Fl
    Gotta have thick skin in these times.... as it was in the days of Noah.....

    We believe He is.... and they in all truthfulness fear that He is.....that's why they are so vocal I believe...
  5. rosierita

    rosierita Active Member

    Mar 13, 2004
    South Carolina
    the thing that came to my mind when i was reading your post... was that God had a purpose for your post & perhaps, something you said was a WITNESS to something the Holy Spirit was working in/on them in their lives & maybe they were feeling convicted. not everyone handles conviction well jack.

    don't take it personally. what you said may have had a bigger impact than you realize.
  6. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    That shows you just how rigid non believers can be. Banning you for offering a prayer was of course ridiculous, Jack, but we should expect more of this type thing as time goes on. Remember we are heading toward the day when any public expression of belief in God, will get you arrested, jailed, then executed. It is just around the corner. But rejoice, your redemption draws nigh.
  7. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    i dont take it personally , just sad folks will allow jihadist hate rants , stupid global warming lies and distortions and all sorts of UFO fantasy vaprire squid from outter space junk to swell a place and admittedly i expect that on a place like LL , but just wishing someone well ..

    up north in cambodia in the hills one time , the shaymen , or witch doctor type fella in a village , came to our camp one day to Bless us all , i was not comfortable with his system but thanked the guy and let him do his thing , i knew he was wishing to help us .. and thank us for helping them .. just his way ..

    why complain about that ? just differences i guess , i've been back with some Christian folks , and showed em another way since , yes , guilty .. I think if i'd have chased him off back when i'd have not got a chance to intro him to some other khmer folks who Know Jesus , actually we had a great lot of success in that area over the years , a lot of ways eh , that is a another story ..

    ROMT , yeah well i'm a stubborn coot , guess they'll have to flog me then eh and what ever after

    hey both the socialists and the islamist behead so its a good bet that way ..

    but i may just have a surprise for em yet ..

    that'll make em think for a long time after i'm gone ..
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  8. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2009
    North Florida
    I know the scripture but it wont come to me so I will paraphrase..blessed is he who is persecuted in my name or for my sake.......
  9. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    Lemme throw out this thought. I've noticed, Jack, that you do not seem especially fond of practitioners of the religion of Islam.

    So, you post that your friend Bill has cancer. Billy Bob says, "I hope your friend kicks it". Jimmy Joe says, "Man, that sucks. Hope he can beat it". Then Abdul posts and says that he is praying to Allah to relieve this terrible affliction, and if Allah will not heal your friend, he prays that Allah will give you and your friend's family the strength to survive this tragedy.

    Tell me the truth. Would you feel grateful that someone is praying for your buddy, or would your initial reaction be along the lines of "that damn rag-head camel-humper. Bill don't need his damn prayers"?

    When I was in high school, before every football game they had some preacher come on the loudspeaker and give a prayer. Always a Protestant. Never a Rabbi. Not even a Priest. Protestant preacher. Not always the same one. Wasn't like the school had their own Chaplin. There were two (that I knew of) Jewish kids on the football team and one in the band, with me. So for three years, on Friday night (which was their Sabbath), they were prayed over by some heathen. It didn't occur to me at the time, but since then I've wondered if it upset them.

    When they open Congress, they have some religious person get up and offer a prayer. In 2007 they had a Hindu clergyman do it. It didn't go over good. Apparently it is only an acceptable prayer if it is YOUR religion.

    Few years ago, some body was complaining because they had done away with the prayer before school ball games, in his area. "Them damn atheists". I asked him if he would be okay with them bringing it back, if they had an Islamic Mulla give it. I mean, heck, like Charlie Daniels said, "There is only one, so they got to be the same". Nope. He would not be good with that. Well then, how about a Rabbi? Nope, not one of the "them" either.

    My point is, if a Protestant does not want to get prayed over by a Priest, if a Jew does not want to get prayed over by a Christian, if a Christian does not want to get prayed over by a Muslim, then why would anyone think that an atheist would want to get prayed over by anyone. Many find it offensive.

    So, if Jacob's father is sick, by all means pray for his health, if you think it will help. Just don't tell Jewish Jacob that you are praying to Jesus. He might not like it.

    And why (this just occurred to me) would you tell him, anyway? If Jacob's father is sick and I ask Jesus to heal him, this is between me and Jesus. Why would I tell Jacob I did this? So that he would thank me for my prayers? Did I pray for his father in order to get his thanks? If so, that makes me an ass. If not, then why should I mention it?
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  10. cutter

    cutter New Member

    Aug 3, 2008

    Great way to look at it!! I like that thought!!
    Last edited by a moderator: May 2, 2012
  11. Hi Jack,
    I don't know why some people take offence & others don't. I just posted a thread about my past, and for me I always believed in God, but went through a time when I thought the world owed me some thing and only my views mattered. I am a member of AA and we have all sorts of views, but agree on one common goal. I'm also a member of we have a prayer call every Monday night at 7:30 PM CST (# is on web site) we have all sorts of faiths all who pray for a common goal. My belief with what you're experiencing is a problem with man not necessarily the religion. How is it put at the end of Terry's post? There's good and bad in all religions, look at the persons faith.
    Sounds like enemies need prayed for.
  12. BETH

    BETH Well-Known Member

    Jul 10, 2009
    to each his own if that bothers u stay off that thread
  13. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    So, I guess we should stop praying for people on this forum, or at least not tell them we are. Alpo, we don't tell someone that we are praying for them or their loved ones to gain favor with them. We do it to offer them comfort in their time of trial or sorrow. We believe GOD does answer prayer. If you don't, I'm sure you could find the words to let us all know it isn't appreciated, without offending anyone. But then some of us might still pray for you. As you say, prayer is between the individual and GOD, and the fact that you are the subject of a prayer doesn't mean you have a right to object.

    As for your former Jewish and Roman Catholic teammates, I can see your point. It would have been reasonable for them to ask that a clergyman of their faith occasionally offer the pre game prayer. I can tell you this though, two of my best friends growing up were Jews. Back in the days when the whole class recited the Lord's prayer every morning, I asked these friends if they objected. "No", they said, "It is a good prayer".

    When a person of another faith whose doctrine you object to, is praying over a group to which you belong, you are free to silently offer up your own prayer to whatever diety you wish. When I respectfully permit someone of a different faith to pray for me or my group, I am doing so not necessarily out of respect for their faith, but for their GOD given right to freedom of expression and worship as they choose, and their good will, which I appreciate.
  14. Luke the drifter

    Luke the drifter New Member

    Apr 16, 2012
  15. BlackEagle

    BlackEagle Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2011
    Jack; very sorry to hear that happened. Nobody is as intolerant as those who demand tolerance for themselves. I can't understand either, why someone would not just refuse, but utterly reject the kindness represented by someone offering to pray for another. I've asked a friend if he would like me to pray for him in his medical problems and his response was on the lines of "yes, if you want to".

    Is Matthew 5:11 the passage?
    Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    I like BibleGateway:
    I use the passage lookup and keyword search frequently; it has a whole string of versions and is easy to use.
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