Basic Training M-1 vs M-16

Discussion in 'General Military Arms & History Forum' started by Squeak, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Squeak

    Squeak Member

    I went thru Army Basic Training at Fort Leonard Wood, MO in the fall of 1961.
    We trained with the M-1 Garand.
    I'm thinking that that must have been one of the last classes to train with the M-1 before they changed to the M-16. (never did see an M-14)
    Anybody out there know when the Army started training with the M-16??
  2. All I know was us navy sailor recruits were marching with 1903's, army soldiers with MI Garands, the marine recruits were in the process of beating to death their M14's doing the manual of arms. The Air force was phasing in M16's. Special Forces in Nam already had them and their 14's were taken away from them. I ain't naming dates because I don't know officially when the transition was but my brother got a Donald duck hat in boot camp and my company didn't. we were 1 week apart and it was a time of transition. It was a wild and wooly time when all decisions were made logically by reasonable people then overturned by politicians......................see, nothing has changed.

  3. SSMN

    SSMN Member

    Sep 24, 2009
    Ely, Minnesota
    I was living in Chicago and also went to Ft. Leonard Wood for basic. For me, the year was 1965. We were issued M-14s. Never saw an M-1 or an M-16 during my time there. But after basic, during AIT and from thereon it was all M-16s.
  4. 436

    436 New Member

    Oct 13, 2011
    North West

    Something of a guess; adopted in late 1963 by Army must have been between late 1968 early1970 may have been when they were turning up in Fort. Leonard Wood
    I used M16A1 at Fort. Polk for both BCT & AIT 11 Bush in 1971 never saw a M14 or M1... I have an M1A now and still scratch my heads as to why the Army never stayed with it {or adopted the M1A version which is even better} they should’ve issued the M16 as they would've the M1 Carbine. Still, letting guys use them based on operational needs. I like the M16 for CQC work or for incursions Op’s where you’ll have to have a lot of kit and ammo; and you can sure hang a ton of aftermarket on that little black rifle… but like the man said…. “Bring Enough Gun”
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2012
  5. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    USMC basic training in Jan 1966 we were issued M14's. We did have classes in the M16 but were never issued them. In ITR we were issued M-1's. These things were so worn out FTF's and FTE's were numerous. My remaining time in the states was with the M14.

    Upon arriving in in Nam in Aug 1967, being assigned to an Engineer Bn., I was issued an M14 (all the infantry units already had M16's). About three months later we started getting M16's. We actually had a choice to keep our M14's or switch to the M16. In 1968 when I transferred to an infantry unit of course I was issued an M16. Being a field radio operator, the TO weapon was a 1911 but we were given a choice of a pistol, M16 or even a M14 if we really wanted it. A couple of guys did. I carried both a pistol and M16 most of the time.
  6. DixieLandMan

    DixieLandMan Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Dad went through Basic at Ft. Jackson in 1965. Trained with M-14. Got to his unit later that year or early 1966 and had M-16's.
  7. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2006
    Navy 1959, drilled with '03's, qualified with M1's.
  8. Snakedriver

    Snakedriver Active Member

    Mar 4, 2009
    SW. Florida
    The Internet says the first 1,000 AR-15 Rifles were shipped to Vietnam in 1962, but the Army and Air Force didn't officially adopt the M16 until 1964.

    When I went through Army Basic Training at Ft. Polk in mid-1970 we were using the M16A1 to qualify for our marksmanship badge.

    When I got to Vietnam I was issued a XM177 CAR-15 to carry in my helicopter.
  9. jedwil

    jedwil Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Texas Hill Country
    Basic training at Fort Bliss in Feb/Mar 1969 using the M14. Did have a class and qualification with the M16.
  10. jim brady

    jim brady Well-Known Member

    Sep 22, 2009
    Simla, Colorado
    I'm no expert on how the Army actually did it, but we had the M14s stateside and the M16A1s issued to the field in Nam during my first tour (1969 to 1971). We did receive training on the '16 stateside in RVN training.

    Short story - in that familiarization training, we fired the '16 at very short ranges just to see how it functioned. I loaded my first mag, fired 3 rounds and the mag dropped out. I picked it up, reloaded and fired another 3 rounds and the mag dropped out again. The Range NCO came over and asked me what the heck I was doing. I told him what happened, and HE picked up the mag and loaded the weapon for me, I fired another 3 shots and the mag fell out. He just shrugged his shoulders and walked away.

    Got to Nam in 1970, went thru SERTS Training (101st Airborne in Quang Tri). Went to the range to check the weapon. Fired 3 shots and the mag fell out. I carried a Smith and Wesson .38 Special after that. At least I had SIX shots.

    My next older brother was in Nam 1968 thru late 1969 - Engineers - and they were cgangeing from the M14 to the '16 at that time. He managed to keep his '14.
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2012
  11. Thunder Struck

    Thunder Struck New Member

    May 3, 2011
    I used M-14 for basic at Fort Jackson may of 68. Then M-16 for AIT 11B at Fort Poke Aug 68, Overseas I used M-16 and 12gauge Nov. 68
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2012
  12. My father in law went to Army basic in 1968 trained with the M-14.

    When he went to Vietnam in late 1968 he went to a training course there on the M-16 before he went to his unit. They had the old M-16s with the three progned flash supressers and no forward assist. While he was over there they got the newer M-16A1.

    When he came back to the States and was stationed at Fort Bragg his unit there was still carrying the M14. He got out in 1971 and his unit at Fort Bragg was still carrying M14 rifles.
  13. langenc

    langenc Active Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Montmorency Co, MI
    Read today where the wonderful Obamas will allow 86 thousand M1 Garands back from Korea, previously not allowed.

    They will be made available to Korean War vets.
  14. DixieLandMan

    DixieLandMan Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    Trained with M16A2 in basic in 1993. Got to my 1st duty station and we had M16A1's. In our arms room, we still had the old grease gun as well.
  15. clamman

    clamman Active Member

    Marine Corps boot camp San Diego, November 1974. We were issued the M-14, and within a day or two turned them in for the M-16A1
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