Blacks are too violent

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  1. Marlin T

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    Blacks are too violent; therefore… Successful efforts to reduce America’s black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms.

    But I’m sure in this case, the person that supports this organization would call himself half white. The person that I’m referring to is Obomba.

    Violence Policy Center: Reinstate the Black Codes?

    The Violence Policy Center (VPC) — the anti-gun rights group that Barack Obama repeatedly voted to fund while he was a director of the Joyce Foundation — believes that African-Americans are too violent to deserve the entire Constitution. Thus, it wants to reduce their access to firearms. From the Violence Policy Center’s latest report:

    Blacks in the United States are disproportionately affected by homicide. For the year 2007, blacks represented 13 percent of the nation’s population, yet accounted for 49 percent of all homicide victims.

    As noted at the beginning of this study, the devastation homicide inflicts on black teens and adults is a national crisis, yet it is all too often ignored outside of affected communities.

    For blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns — usually handguns — are far and away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America’s black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms.

    For an organization to make a public declaration that suggests an entire race be denied the same level of constitutional protections as others is both shocking and bewildering. The study received financing from left-wing groups dedicated to social engineering, including the David Bohnett Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, and the Public Welfare Foundation.

    While progressive groups such as these typically have a stated goal of helping underprivileged minority communities, some of their attempts to affect what they view as positive social change can be viewed by critics as ham-handed and condescending — or, as in this instance, verging on outright racist.

    The VPC and the left-wing foundations that bankroll it have decided that black-on-black crime is unacceptably high, and they believe the best way to handle that is to make it more difficult for African-Americans to legally obtain handguns.

    The VPC refuses to even touch on the cultural issues that are the most significant variable in the massive discrepancy between the rate of black homicide victims (20.86 per 100,000) and white homicide victims (3.11 per 100,000). The VPC also won’t acknowledge that the vast majority of African-American homicide victims are murdered by young African-American men. Identifying, targeting, and removing the cultural factors that most specifically contribute to this problem would seem to be the most responsible way to decrease the excessive violence rates, but the VPC’s goal clearly isn’t problem resolution.

    Calls to limit the access of African-Americans to firearms specifically echo the “black codes” adopted immediately at the end of the Civil War. These laws were passed in southern states in response to the Thirteenth Amendment’s outlawing of slavery, and were specifically engineered to circumscribe the civil rights and liberties of newly freed slaves and freemen. The codes assured the second-class status of African-Americans, and were a forerunner to decades of “separate but equal” segregation under Jim Crow laws — which were only overcome during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Among the codes commonly passed were laws that forbid or restricted the ownership of firearms by African-Americans. The codes were “justified” with the explanation that African-Americans did not have the same rights as white citizens.

    The Ku Klux Klan and similar groups were active in attempting to disarm blacks in the post-war South, and United States v. Cruikshank gave paramilitary racist mobs carte blancheto disarm African-American communities. This left them nearly defenseless to decades of lynchings, assaults, indignity, and, in several dozen instances, full-fledged “race riots” that are more accurately described as massacres. Most of these rampages occurred with the full knowledge of local and state governments. The 1898 Wilmington race riot was carried out with the full knowledge and indifference of both North Carolina Governor Daniel Lindsay Russell and President William McKinley.

    One can only hope that Josh Sugarman, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, is completely ignorant of the many mob actions and the thousands of deaths that resulted from laws that stripped African-Americans of their rights and liberties. Considering his long-running and strident anti-gun advocacy, it seems likely that Sugarman and the organization are well aware of history but made a political calculation in asking that African-Americans be disarmed.

    The goal of the Violence Policy Center in this report is the goal of the group in every report it has ever issued: an erosion of gun rights for all Americans, with the ultimate goal being the prohibition of all firearms save those under state control. Towards that totalitarian end, the VPC does not seem to have any qualms about advocating a return to racist policies that left African-American communities helpless targets for most of a century. Nor does Sugarman or his group explain how disarming law-abiding blacks will make them anything other than victims for those that refuse to follow existing prohibitions against murder.

    The David Bohnett Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, and the Public Welfare Foundation were all contacted this week by Pajamas Media and asked whether or not they stood behind the Violence Policy Center’s call to limit the rights and liberties of African-Americans.

    Not one of these organizations has responded with a condemnation of the VPC’s conclusions.
  2. hogger129

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    Blacks aren't "more violent." The reason why some may think they are is because many blacks live in areas with high poverty. Violence is synonymous with poverty. Whites, or any other race, in an area with high poverty would probably be just as violent. In fact, I would want greater access to firearms in those areas for my own self defense. In places like that, the police may not even show up. I mean look at the LAPD. I know there are certain areas of Chicago the police won't go just because of a disturbance call. I would hate it to be like the movie "Boys N' The Hood" where I get shot up while I'm coming home from the grocery store or something.

    I mean even here in Wisconsin, there are parts of Milwaukee where you would not want to be, especially at night. And Milwaukee is a very anti-gun city and a much more dangerous place than other parts of Wisconsin. Madison, on the other hand, is overall a pretty safe town. There's only a couple bad neighborhoods I know about that are easy to avoid.

    Taking or restricting guns from blacks because they may be "more violent" is racist and un-American. I would say the same thing if it were whites, or any other race that were labeled as "more violent."

    It's no different than any other type of gun control and it won't work.
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    I was doing an argument on why vermont has some of the lowest gun crimes and have some of the loosest gun control in my gov and students were saying cause they were all white and i said so what you are saying is that hispanics and african americans dont have the ability to safely own a firearm?
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    Take a look at this then draw your own conclusions. Middle class black people
    that I work with and know would never live in a predominately black city.


    Race, Crime and Justice in America
    The Color
    of
    Crime
    New Century Foundation
    Oakton, VA 22124

    Second, Expanded Edition
    Major Findings
    • Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
    Crime Rates
    • Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,
    and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
    • When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
    than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
    • Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
    Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
    • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
    the population that is black and Hispanic.
    Interracial Crime
    • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving
    blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
    • Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Fortyfive
    percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
    Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
    black.
    • Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
    a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
    • Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
    against whites than vice versa.
    Gangs
    • Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
    • Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
    Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
    Incarceration
    • Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
    to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
    million.
    • Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
    three times more likely.
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    i wish we could get figures here in Australia like the above but in UN speak thats Racial profiling so we cant disclose such to the public they may be "misinterpreted"

    but i think the above is a afront to every black person in your country

    whats the percentage that serve in your armed services to protect the constitution ??

    ( oh its the politicians that are protected now and they attack the constitution, sorry i forget )

    i remember as a kid when they limited aboriginals here to shotguns or flinters or caplocks etc

    banned spears etc, what a POS law.. but they did show me how to hunt well with them ( flinters)
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    It is not race that leads to violence. What leads to violence is ignorance and a lack of education, these lead to an inability to deal with the pressures of life and a feeling of hopelessness, not being able to see a way out of the mess. This leads to familial breakdown and the rise of gangs, a perversion of the family. This, in turn, leads to more ignorance and the demeaning of education which leads to more violence.

    That's very simplified but there it is.
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    I remember early in grade school, the nun teaching us that the strength and core of society is a the Family.

    In the inner cities there is a notable lack of any kind of family in the black community. The women are nothing more than breeders and the men are nothing more than sperm donors. Then the government is expected to take over the rearing duties.
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    I agree with you Tim.

    On to another note. Now dont get your panties in a bunch when i say this. Not all races are created equal. That is the thing people dont or will not understand. The black comminity are not a group of people like the white community. Stop making excused for them being poor. Why do you think the black man had to be made a slave in order to work? Because they as a race do not work well. They dont have the ability to teach themselves. Someone allways has to do it for them. I believe there are still tribes in Africa that haven't invented the wheel. If it were not for the white man they would still be eating themselves. They live like animals for the most part and it is not the white mans fault. They, for the most part have no family structure and again that is not the white mans fault. It is something bread in them to be this way. Like it or not that is the way it is. It is not lack of money cause when white familes go broke the family comes together and goes forward. Blacks dont. They dont have the ability to lead and that is why the Negro in office is doing such a good job. Tuff chit if you dont believe me or think i am racist, its true.

    Let me ask you do you think the Germins are the best engineers in the world. If you do then your just as racist.

    Should blacks have guns? Doesnt really matter. Look at Africa they will use machetteis to chop each other up.

    What about the right to vote? That sould be taken away. If you dont being something to the table like money you should not have a say in how it is spent.
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    Jack,

    Statistics are what they are. The bottom line is 94% of all blacks in America murdered are murdered by other blacks. It is not racist to point out facts in a gentle conversation. I have black friends and they are concerned with the level of violence in the black community as well.

    Look at the history of the Negro race. Most of them were warriors in Africa living in a tribal community. Do you think that has something to do with the level of violence in their communities combined with poverty and educational woes?

    I'm just asking the question, not making conclusions.
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    I think there is so much violence in the black community because of the break up of the family. Not enough fathers, and the discipline a father brings. Boys need role models, and they will find them. When dad is not around, they seek leadership. If the leadership is gangs and drug lords, that's who they identify with.

    Boys need discipline, along with love, and structure. Boys want to be part of something. Bored boys will almost always find something to do. If not sports, they will find something!!! Ever heard the expression: I'm going to do something, even if it's wrong!

    That is why I have coached youth sports since the mid 70s. I believe, if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. First practice starts this Saturday!!! This will be my 5th decade.
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    Real heros put their life on the line, like our armed forces, firefighters, police, etc. I just put a little time in to help some kids. I am no hero!
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    Look at the thought process towards Blacks in almost every culture. Then take a good look at it in America. The Federal Government has created this problem, they don't understand that, and don't have a clue as to how to fix it. Welfare! This system was intended to keep the poor people, poor, always, and it works. How would you feel if you knew that you would never have a real chance at a good life because of the color of your skin? How would feel if you were really poor, and the government spent many billions of dollars each year to keep you so? Wouldn't you want to drive a nice car? Own a nice home? Where do you get the money? How do you get the money? If you are uneducated, you steal, sell drugs, or go into prostitution, because you believe there is no other way when the deck is stacked against you. Welfare causes these problems, and the government caused welfare. Cause and effect! The welfare systems rewards those that are single, and have children, the more children, the more reward. This is the wedge that drives, and devides single parent homes. I know this to be true because I grew up in the system. I have lived in the all black comunities. And I know how to solve this problem, but not a single person in power in this country has a clue. If you were cut off from the better things in life, with no hope of ever even having a chance other than abject poverty, you would act up too! I remember a little black boy on the Art Linkletter show many years ago, who when asked what he wanted to be when he grew up, replied "White"! When Art Linkletter asked him why he wanted to be white when he grew up he said "Cause a niger ain't nothing"! What a horibil way to grow up, knowing that you are nothing, will never be more than that, and you honestly believe that there is noting you can do about it!
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    I think several people nailed it here: education and family are the key to growth. If your family becomes MS13 or some other street gang then violence is the norm. I would add one other element and that is illegal drugs. The obscene profits that are made and the lure of easy money draw those in that should have better judgement.
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    Anyone heard of Pasttor Manning? He is very over the top but also makes a lot of really good points. This is not the video I was looking for but it is not bad, there are many others on you tube
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    I think I might agree to certain extent on this one. Not because of racial superiority, or any of that nonsense, but because it seems our prisons and jails have a large amount of black inmates proportional to their percentage. I would never stand for them not having full Constitutional rights. We all hang together or we all hang alone. If one looks outside the US, say Africa, you'll find violence on a very large scale. They don't need guns, though they can get them, a machete will do just fine,
    Please don't get me wrong, I've known many a fine person of good character and conscience who happened to be black. It just seems that violence may come a little easier to them. Perhaps it's the world and values they were brought up in. TJ
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    There are some good posts here, but Carver hit the homerun in my opinion.

    All of these problems can be directly tied to liberalism and the democrat party. (Where is PhramJohn when you need a lib?)

    I thought that it was these folks that were trying to help out the black folks. I thought that these black people were mostly democrats and libs. Is this what they really want? Is this what it is going to take to wake them up to the fact that the libs are really NOT looking for them? Or, is this what they get?

    I mean really, if they are willing to give up their Constitutional rights to feel safe, I hope they get their privilege to vote taken away too.
    Now to set the record straight, I do not want black people to lose anything just because of the color of their skin as that is racist.

    I’m still trying to rap my head around the fact that the Violence Policy Center wants to reinstate the exact same gun laws that were the very first gun laws based on the exact same thing; skin color. Liberalism and Anti-Constitutionalism at its finest.

    I wonder if the new dress code at the VPC is going to be white pointy hats?
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    I think it's funny how this anti-gun group uses the word "tool". But when you pose the argument that the gun is just a tool to be used by people and they make the choice on how to use it, it's always the gun thats bad!! lmao!!
    Quote from above article:
    For blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns — usually handguns — are far and away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America’s black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms.

    So we should limit any thing that could be used to commit a homicide so we can manipulate a persons behavior???? All I can say is , unbeleivable.
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    Stop making excuses for blacks being so violent. It's not because they are poor or because they got the shaft in life. My father moved here when he was 30 form Europe just like many of your parents did. With nothing! He chose to do the right thing. He chose not to be an alcholic, drug user, gambler and so on. No one tells these poor little black kids "you gots no life so you gots to be a drug dealer" No! They are given the same chances we all have. It doesnt matter if you have a father or not. A kid has a mind and needs to use it. Look in the hood and see that a life of drugs is just going to get him killed. It doesn't take a father for someone to see that. Many of you still dont understand they do not have the same ability to reason as you do. Stop thinking all races are equal in the ability to reason. They are not.
    They are not leaders.

    I am not saying that all men should not be treated with equal rights. NO No No! I dont care what anybody says not all races are the same. Some take the easy way out and are satisified with what is given to them. OH WELL!

    Stop making excuses for them to be violent or bad or poor. Expect more from the Negro race! I expect them to get off their butts and do something with themselves. Maybe I am asking too much.

    Here let me ask you a question. Lets say the black race all of a sudden has all the wealth of the world. Thats right turn the tables. They have all the money. What now? do you think they would be productive as the other races? Go ahead and give a welfair mama a 1/2 million dollar house and all the money she needs for her kids. Do you think they will make it far? Do you think the house will stay clean? Do you think her kids will learn how to speak correct english?

    Many people just dont get it, we are not the same. We did not grow up the same or have the same mental ability. It's because people dont get it, that we have a commie in office now. You know what a commie is? A lazy SOB that wants to live on the back of others.
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    I can't believe they pointed out the obvious but the root cultural problem HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. One needs to look no further than predominantly black music to realize that the culture has come to relish violence. Everything has to be confrontation for a VERY LARGE percentage of poverty-level blacks. Unless you've been blind for the past 20 years that's why sports have become very confrontational, with a large portion of the NBA openly attempting to be gang banging thugs. I personally don't see why continue pretending the problem doesn't exist in a politically correct way. Not confronting the problem will never solve it...

    And the guns aren't the problem... The guns used in these cited crimes are mostly stolen; not purchased from legal gun dealers. Why in the heck would a 'gang banger' buy a gun through the legal process for $500 that he can get stolen, off the street for $50? Really, these liberals are hitting all around the problem but no one will work from inside the black community to attempt to make a difference. In my humble opinion, the societal engineering begun by FDR and continued by LBJ have contributed to keeping this very self-destructive culture in existence.
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