Brain fart or will it work?

Discussion in 'Black Powder Shooting / Muzzleloaders / Handguns' started by polishshooter, Aug 28, 2006.

  1. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    Indiana made Muzzle loading pistols legal for deer hunting 2 years ago, but the ONLY caveat is it has to have a barrel at LEAST 12" long, and must be at LEAST .50 caliber, and fire a projectile at LEAST .45 caliber (meaning sabots.) They also allow you to carry it as a "backup," as long as it's LEGAL for deer in the first place.

    Anyway, I have been kind of half-assed keeping my eye out for a "project," looking for an old or used pistol, either, percussion or flint, that fits the bill, but is still "traditional," MAINLY for a "back-up," I'll probably still use my Flintlock rifle for my main weapon. But Dixie, or NOBODY else makes anything that qualifies, except the 1851 .58 pistol/Carbine for like $800!

    After looking at a few prospects at a show yesterday, the LONGEST barrel I saw was 10 1/2", on the way home I got an "inspiration..." Rebarreling with a custom pistol barrel would defeat any of the cost savings of DIY, PLUS then I'd have to modify the original pistol stock to get it to "look right" with the longer barrel.

    WHAT if, I was to track down a "used," "Cheap," .50 cal Hawken type rifle, (guys "trading up" to a #%$%$! in-line:mad: ;) ) with a pistol grip, maybe a CVA, Traditions, or Navy, they are a dime a dozen, and CUT it? I can square it after I cut it with a square, then crown the muzzle with the "brass screw in drill with lapping compound" trick. Then mount DECENT sights on it...

    I'm good with wood, so I could shape the pistol grip stock, and if I get lucky with the wedge or pin holdoing the barrel, I could get CLOSE to 12", and then fit a brass nose cap to it, and probably even cut the ramrod to fit!

    My son shoots 245 gr. Buffalo Ballets from his .50 Hawken style 'Frontier Carbine" with 90 gr. FFFg, with very LITTLE recoil, and it killed his one deer when he was 13 cleanly, so I THINK I could handle 50 or 60 gr maybe as much as 75gr with it and not break my wrist shooting it, and it SHOULD be accurate at handgun range, about 25 yds...

    Do you think it would work??? :eek:
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2006
  2. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    I'm sure it would work and the joy of making it yourself will be a bonus.

    I shot a homemade BP pistol once, made from a piece of 12ga shotgun barrel. Lessee, that'd be about 76cal, right? I still have both hands attached, too. :D


  3. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    The more I think about this, the more I like the idea...

    Even IF the stock on it looked stupid, I eventually could get a pistol BLANK and carve my own to fit, maybe even buy a decent handgun lock for it, and STILL save money over a complete custom with a special order 12" barrel.....

    And HECK, maybe with what's LEFT of the barrel, thread on a breech plug and make ANOTHER????:p
  4. As long as you have the time it wouldn't be that hard. Sounds like a fun project to get in too
  5. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004
    Why not buy Pedersoli Kentucky Pistol Kit - .50 Cal from Dixie and replace the barrel Dixie has a couple of 12" 50 cal barrels
  6. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    I've thought of that, the problem is that decent replacement pistol barrels cost almost as much as decent rifle ones, so the cost would be a lot more, and you'd still have to modify the stock to make it fit, and it still would look as goofy as my idea, I think.

    I REALLY don't NEED one, which is why I don't want to put a lot of $ into it, I just thought since they DO allow it, I'd like to try it as a project, and if it works, just carry it as a backup...I'd probably make it as a percussion, that way I get caught in the rain and the flint won't go boom, I'm not helpless if a nice doe walks under the stand....;)

    What we NEED is somebody to come out with a 5 shot .50 cal on a Walker or Dragoon frame with a Buntline barrel, I'd buy THAT....and I think it would WORK too....
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2006
  7. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    You know, perusing the Dixie catalogue gave me other ideas...

    They list a "not inletted for action but inletted for 12", 13/16" barrel and drilled for ramrod" pistol stock for like $55....

    And a 12" .50 cal pistol barrel, 13/16", threaded for a standard plug, is $58...(I WISH it was a hair longer, 12" is the minimum allowed, I'll have to check if they measure it internally or externally to be legal, the breech plug could mess me up...)

    IF I can track down a decent pistol action for $50 (tough to find, I WISH I would've bought 3 of those darn Numrich Minuteman flint actions they had last year 3/$99 when I bought the one for $45 to replace my rifle's action, that is small enough to have worked!)

    With all the other stuff I may need, trigger, nosecap, trigger guard, etc, I could probably build a DECENT looking pistol that would fit the bill, and not look "Polish Engineered" for about 2 bills...

    MAYBE less if I hit the trade blankets at Friendship next week!;)
  8. 22WRF

    22WRF Well-Known Member

    May 10, 2004
    If you have the Dixie Print catalog there is much more in the parts section than the online.
    Even more pictures for "polishshooters" :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
  9. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    What are you SAYING, 22????...:mad: ;) :p

    I ONLY usta read the Playboys for the ARTICLES, I SWEAR...:cool:
  10. polishshooter

    polishshooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2001
    Wow, Freindhip had a LOT of possibilities!

    Jim Chambers is even making an "Indiana Legal" Flint kit, and had one on display in .50 that is absolutely GORGEOUS...13" swamped barrel, full length curly maple stock, nice brass butt, in .50, or .54...kinda looks like a Revolutionary Era "Horse Pistol," but that swamped barrel is surprisingly light at the muuzzle and points well...

    But at $585 for the kit, it's a LITTLE outside my budget for the project....

    Here's what it looks like, but it's PRETTIER in person!;)

    I DID find Green Mountain .50 cal straight barrels for $60. and others for around $50, but they ALL were a little shy of 12"...although I picked up another copy of the regs and it's measured from the BASE of the breechplug, not counting any "tangs or projections," so as long as the plug protruded out a little, I should be OK...I'll just use the one with the built in nipple if I use it...

    I saw plenty of nice blanks for $15 to $35, but I've never carved from a blank before...and while I did find some "semi-inletted" ones from $30 to $60, MOST were for only a 9 7/8" barrel...I'm wondering if I used a LONG nosecap I could make up the difference and make it look good...

    While I didn't pick up anything (I'm KICKING myself, because after Friendship, my wife and I hit a casino on the way home and the money we LOST would have got me the barrel, stock, and EVERYTHING else I needed except the ACTION:mad: ) It's definitely going to be a project for either this winter or next spring after the Spring shoot at Friendship, for next year's deer season....

    Or else maybe i'll save up the money for the KIT...;)
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2006
  11. Shooter45

    Shooter45 *Administrator* Staff Member Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    Here at TFF
    Friendship would have been the place to get everything you needed. I'll see if I still have an old .50 cal barrel blank laying around.
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