But who owns China?

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by Redhand, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. Redhand

    Redhand Active Member

    Apr 14, 2009
    I've read many times lately about how China keeps buying up the US and will someday own the country. Well, I agreeded with these comments for awhile until I started thinking it thru. I can't put a timeline on this but for years I've heard mucho advice about investing in the Pacific Rim. Where exactly is the Pacific rim? I remember as a child seeing many products that were imported from HongKong. American Mega-Corps where behind that trading and made mucho dinero and this was all before China was nothing more than an over populated,militaristic turd world country. When HongKong reverted back to China the country started a rise as an economic power. This was due to American owned and operated industry going in and schooling the Chinese on how to make money. The vast economic power of China is not owned,operated or financed by the Chinese people or their puppet grub-er-in-mint. Its the same financiers,bankers and corporate bigwigs that are still ranking in the dinero and using the Chinese as a front. Just some pondering and ciphering on my part, can't prove it but it makes sense especially when one chooses to follow the money.:confused::eek::confused::D:eek::cool::eek:
  2. Bobitis

    Bobitis Guest

    20 years ago, would you have thought the same about the USSR?

    Does Russia or China kiss the UNs ass?

    Or do we?

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Redhand just few weeks befoe Christmas China did not like the responce they got from some big companies bosses, they thought they could bully the central committee,

    the shot them day before new years

    including one that was a US citizen

    did the US complain?? no

    Bo Bo went and did a deal with them

    now they have locked up some aussie and US mining bosses

    as they wont give the central committee the discounts they think they should get

    mate no disrespect, but your way off on that one

    but for your info

    on Chinese military maps
    they call Siberia and east to Kamchatky , "the Northern Resource Area"


    Last edited: Jan 30, 2010
  4. wpage

    wpage Active Member

    Aug 25, 2009
    Jack is on track...
    China is a good listener and a good copier of success.
    They have been owned by the Japanese and others over the centurys.
    Now they are ready to take thier own place. "That old Dragon" is preparing for
    it step to destiny.
    Lessons learned. China shows the world and we will witness some of what it has tasted in drips and drabs. It will be ruthless and cruel. As the Asian world typically is even to its own.
  5. swiftman

    swiftman Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    East Central Ill
    What I have read on that part of the world, they will gladly smile and shake your hand while the other holds the knife they intend to kill you with.
  6. topper

    topper New Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    deep in the woods
    Take your choice: Elvis, Bill Gates, Tiger Woods. one of them is sure to own china.
  7. Trouble 45-70

    Trouble 45-70 New Member

    After WWII England wanted to reasert its power over the Suez canal.

    US said don't try.

    Britain said mind your own business.

    US said we hold your paper for WW I and WW II, proceed and we will call the notes due.

    Britain stood down.

    China holds between 1 and 2 $trillion. Do you think they might stop buying U.S Treasuries and call in what they hold? Anyone have any idea where the U.S. can come up with a quick couple trillion?

    Watch to see what happens to this arms deal with Taiwan.
  8. navis128

    navis128 New Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    So you get it...The Chinese commies want to be the worlds bankers...they're sending merchants to African nations to sell cheap goods putting the already struggling locals out of business. They're poppin' holes off the coasts of the Americas and only Chinese nationals can work, space game, etc.

    The few over there want to hold the purse strings. I don't like throwing around derogatory stereotypes, but a re-thinking of typical money grubber label may be in order.

    "They've" told their population that the price of industrialization is environmental pollution. Cadmium jewery here, the waste product from the manufacturing process is dumped out the back door over there.

    I say we can wait them out til they start dropping off like flies...it's not like they're going to take profits and improve their heathcare system.

    Pacific Rim - wiki - economic trading partners, also;
    Pacific Rim of Fire!!
  9. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    China doesn't control their economic resources any more so than any other so-called sovereign nation. The success of emerging markets depends entirely on where and when the world's elite decide to divert funding. China, India and even Brazil to some extent are seeing their turn to prosper now. The elite have no allegiances. Their power is derived outside of borders.

    The money made by the wealthiest individuals is made through foreign exchange advantages and manipulation of financial and trade rules. Wealth is not made through the raw trade of goods and services any more, if it ever was at all. The trading of real commodities is a facade that gives the rest of us an illusion of how billionaires came to possess their fortunes. Real fortunes are created cheating and usurping traditional economic rules. Regarding the trade of goods, truly uninhibited free markets would not allow for such a discrepancy in wealth garnered by one country or company versus another selling a like good.

    As Mayer Amschel Bauer (1744 -1812), Godfather of the Rothschild Banking Cartel of Europe once said...

    Don't be fooled. The wealth China has created for itself is not the result of its own devices. China is a tool and the truly wealthy have simply 'enabled' China to prosper while it is advantageous.

    Besides, 'money' is useless. Power is really the defining standard for the wealthy. The powerful have derived 'money' as a mechanism to justify their elevated social status. 'Money' can be manipulated to endlessly prolong the position of the powerful. It's an interesting philosophical quandary... It makes my head hurt.
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2010
  10. obxned

    obxned Active Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    A loan shark, the Chinese, or Mother Teresa, it doesn't matter. While you owe that much money, you are not really free.
  11. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    this week

    the US arms deal to Taiwan was cut back

    no more fighters but plenty of smaller defencive only stuff

    and china is still kicking up a fuss but the US BACKED DOWN

    did not sell taiwan the extra fighters

    so where they gonna get em??

    they'll get em but maybe from Russia

    China objected the US backed down,

    not totally

    but heck thats global implication right there...


    three times the US has said it will sell Taiwan more F 16's three times they have baulked because of chinese protests
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2010
  12. Trouble 45-70

    Trouble 45-70 New Member

    Might be like Britain after WW II. US called the shots because of the British debt held by the U.S. You oppose us and we will call your debt, bankrupting the country.

    Might be the U.S. turn with China calling the shots.
  13. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Treasuries aren't callable but if they refused to buy more the interest rates would increase and our debt payments on future issued bonds would rise and the current ones would be worth less on the open market. The reason they have kept interest rates low, they have to.
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