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Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by old semperfi, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. al45lc

    al45lc New Member

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    No, it simply disputes the idea that the middle class is disappearing. Neither I nor the study didn't say we aren't under duress.
    And it does get into the problems of single parent families and the financial and mental problems that entails, both for the parent and the children.
    In short we're holding our own, but I recognize that it means less 'personal' time. I used to shoot more often, but my hobbies take a back seat to the family coffers.
  2. CampingJosh

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    I think this whole discussion has been missing a key point of reference. We talk about how the middle class in America is disappearing, how everything used to be made in the USA and now nothing is, etc.

    When was American manufacturing at the peak of its power? The answer: the first twenty years or so following WWII.

    After WWII, we were the only industrialized nation still standing. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Russia, and Japan were devastated. They all had to rebuild entirely. Of course we were head and shoulders above everyone else; no one else was even still standing.

    The rest of the world has been used to specialized manufacturing for decades. They're used to buying some items from the US, some from Russia, some from China, etc. Most people worldwide can't fathom their local geographic area producing every kind of product they want and need.

    I for one am more than willing to face the "stark" :)rolleyes:) reality that working 40 hours a week for 48 weeks per year probably won't earn me enough money to buy everything I want. I may never get that ski boat I want... but families in China are finally moving into a standard of living that we Americans called the 19th century. Personally, I'm OK with that trade off. :cool:

    Just my thoughts on this whole thing...
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    OcelotZ3,

    Sorry for the "simplistic" analysis but it wasn't mine. It was that of an industry CEO given on the show "Squawk Box" from the floor of the NYSE this past week. I was amazed at the billion dollars but the fact is that is what he stated. I didn't make it up. I don't know if your 29 years trump his executive experience or not (don't care) I was just reporting what he said. Basically he was saying, all things being equal, it costs 0ne billion dollars more to build in the states.

    After thinking about it and factoring in things like land costs, labor, material plus the regulatory costs (don't know if property taxes and such were considered) the price difference doesn't sound so outragious.
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  4. OcelotZ3

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    I understood it was a "CEO" who said that. Your initial posting implied it was mostly environmental regulations, and now you are throwing in the additional cost of labor, materials, etc. Those are different things...

    I suspect I know who the CEO was who they were quoting. If it's the one I think it is, he is very outspoken against anything having to do with the government, and thinks that corporations shouldn't pay any taxes, follow very few regulations, etc. Yes, he is that extreme.

    Getting back to fabs, as I mentioned, there are VERY few companies who build new fabs anymore. It's just too expensive unless you can amortize that over many customers & industries, so that any one downturn doesn't kill you. IBM, Motorola, HP, TI, etc. just couldn't do it so the jobs go overseas to mega fabs in South Korea, Singapore, China, etc. Even some companies such as STMicroelectronics in Italy are now outsourcing their own old technology to Singapore to take advantage of filling the fab, as well as lower costs. And they already have those particular fabs built & running in Italy...

    Many people think there are simple/easy explanations & answers to many problems of the US & World; unfortunately there really aren't any easy answers.
  5. rentalguy1

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    We are both over regulated and over taxed as a nation. It's a fact. Deal with it. Don't try to act like everyone would pollute the drinking water if they weren't regulated, either. I am a state licensed potable water plant operator and distribution operator. The EPA and state agencies over-regulate industry to the point that business is all but choked out. I am talking down to measurements of billionths. It isn't necessary. The science proves that, but the government regulators, who know nothing of science, say it needs to come out of the table any way. They have no idea how to accomplish the task, or what it will cost, but by God it better be out of there when the water hits the tap...

    If you only knew...
  6. al45lc

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    I couldn't agree more. If people really cared about the environment, they would concentrate their efforts overseas, like China and former Russia.
    Parts of the Volga are so polluted with heavy metals, nothing lives in the water.
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    You nailed that one! I have not bought anything on credit in the last 10 years except for two vehicles. I am making house notes also. This is all the credit I have, and it's not enough according to the lenders. Since I am not mired in debt, they want to charge me a higher % rate due to LACK of credit, and credit history. It's like when I first got started, and had no credit. I do have credit history but all my payments are made by direct debit, so there goes my credit history as far as the lenders are concerned. I watch TV on a Curtis Mathis, how many of you know how old these things are? There is a VCR player hooked to my TV, and I surely can not afford one of the new big screen TV's! Let's face it! Americans live higher on the hog than just about any other country. That kind of living comes at a price, and we are paying it. The Unions want their share, but so does everyone else. "It's my money, and I want it now"! What would happen to the 30 million in this country that are on welfare if the Fed. filed for bankruptcy tomorrow? Who cares if the state of WI is broke? Who cares that the Fed. Gov. is broke? Give me mine now! I want it now, and I want it all!!! Gi me, gi me, grab, grab! And I want instant gratification!!!!!!! I refuse to wait! and now I'll shut up!
  8. dge479

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    this is very true, Within the last year I have paid off my house, at 44 years old and my cars are paid for. I buy used cars CASH. I USE my credit cards, they do not use me. I pay off my balance every month. My house needs a ton of work, but I do own it. I will fix it as I can as I get the money. I do not want a loan. I want to pay for it myself. Most people I know bouight up getting the biggest house they can, took out more loans and are upside down in their mortgages etc and now look to others to pay for it. I never understood why people bury themselves in that much debt.
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    We sound a lot alike. I own one house outright. We saved, and bought it with cash as a HUD repo. Got it for a great price, and immediately dumped a additional $25K (cash) in it to make it pretty much maintenance free for the next 25-30 years.

    We found out the wife was preggers again in February 2010, and needed a bigger house. I didn't have the cash for it, but I did qualify for a sweet VA loan with a nice interest rate. Home prices are down, so we found a awesome house, in a awesome neighborhood (that is way above our class) for a song. If the market ever comes back up, we stand to gain tens of thousands in equity. Plus, I rent out the old house and make up about 2/3 of the new mortgage.

    We had to buy all new appliances for the new house, as well as some updates. Put it on the credit cards since a chicklet was in the oven, and now a year later it's all paid off (not the house).

    Outside of the house, I have a small loan on the wife's Explorer, and another small one on my F-150. Sure, I could have paid cash, but the interest on the loans was less than the amount of interest I would have earned by investing it. No brainer.

    I did splurge two weeks ago. I bought myself a 2011 H-D Ultra Classic Electra Glide. I took out a note on it, but the interest was only 4%, so I decided to play on their money, and I'll pay it off early. It can be done. You just have to educate yourself and play by the rules.

    Did I mention that I am medically retired? And I am only 38? Wasn't born into any money, either. I'm the son of a independent trucker that became a soldier. After the army I got a education, and worked my butt off for as long as my body would allow.
  10. Kestral

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    Have bought quite a lot from the USA over the years,but my last purchase wish of 8mm Nambu empty cases,& converted 455 rev cases out of 45 L.C was refused as they were no longer permitted to export them.So sorry lads,the will was there,but the rules have been changed, I would have understood the reasoning better if the products had been more up to date.
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    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

    Union membership rate in 2010 was 36.2% for public sector workers, which was substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers at 6.9%.

    According to Hannity last night, "There are more public sector union members in America than there are private sector workers, union, and non-uniln, combined".

    I don't know about you folks but this tells me that there are most probably more people in the Public Sector Unions, than there are tax paying workers, in all of America, to pay their salleries!
  12. dge479

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    I wil go with what I know about, being in the auto industry. Every american manufacturer of autos maks some product out of this country. Ford, Chrysler and GM all make cars here, as well as Mexico and Canada, and all have used the Aisian companies to build cars. Ford usses Mazda,Chrysler uses Mistsubishi,GM uses Daawoo after buying them, they used Toyota in the past.
    Most of this is so they can compete. It costs alot to build cars here with Unions, Environmental laws,etc. How much will you pay for a Focus, Caliber, Cobalt when a Corola or Civic would be less money. I am not happy with this but it was happens. When I buy a car I look for the 1st didgit in the vin If it is, than it is made here.
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