California laws: Loopholes

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by LDBennett, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    I went to a gun show this weekend in CA (somewhere?) and saw two things that blew me away. They represent some ingenious thinking on someone's part.

    The CA law describes which "Assault Weapons" Californians can not have both by name and by characteristics. The law is usurped by building an AW around the characteristic and not using the named guns as a base. One feature is a removable magazine. So some smart person designed a "bullet button" to replace the common button such that it requires a tool to remove the magazine. But by court decision a bullet nose is a tool and that is what is used. Some smart individual came up with a small round magnet that fits in the button hole and stays attached by magnetism that allows the magazine button to be depressed. So you show up at the range, install the magnet, and use the magazine button as you would any other mag button.

    California's can not buy magazines over 10 rounds. Some magazines come with a block in them that can be removed to get you the designed capacity, not the limited 10 round capacity. They are somewhat legal after the modification since the law covers the sale not possession of "high capacity" magazines. At the gun show I saw mags with more than 10 rounds for sale. How do they do it without going to jail? They take larger capacity magazines in the factory packaging and cut off the nomenclature on the packaging that identifies what it is. They pull the bottom plate off the mag and stick all the parts back in the remains of the packaging and call it a magazine repair kit. They add a sticker that says do not assemble these parts as a magazine.

    Ingenious! It just goes to show you that where there is a law there is a usually a way around it.

    Here's another related example. The AW ban in CA is being usurped so regularly and completely that these gun shows (and at many gun shops throughout Cailifornia) are selling "adjusted and legal" AW's like crazy. Every table where they were being sold (legally!!) had people in front of it three deep. There were many of these AW dealers throughout the show. The aisles all over the gun show were terribly crowded to the point that the show was almost a complete waist for me.

    Now if we could just find the loop holes in OBAMACARE and all the other socialistic regulations and laws this current set of progressive legislators and president passed, how nice it would be!!!

  2. howlnmad

    howlnmad Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 26, 2008
    Harriman, Tn
    Pretty ingenious thinking on their part. I wonder how long before the regulators catch on and put a stop to it?

  3. Albtraum

    Albtraum Well-Known Member

    Jun 8, 2011
    Pretty much sums up my experience at the last gun show I went to. ARs, AKs, Kel Tecs, and Saigas were the majority, everything tactical. I recall seeing 90 round drums and 25 round 10/22 mags. They also had some 50 bmgs for us Californians to drool over.
  4. Caneman

    Caneman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2010
    they can legally sell 'parts' of high cap mags like this, and they know that if the disassemble these mags (just have to take the bottom plate off) they can sell it... you can buy these 'parts' but you can't take it home and 'manufacture' the parts and assemble them into a high cap mag because this is 'manufacturing' a high cap mag and this is illegal :(
  5. H-D

    H-D Active Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    Also a ffl 7 can take a pistol that is not ca approved and make it a single. Shot .. then sell you the pistol, you bring it back and have it repaired , boom legally purchased pistol
  6. Am I the only one who realizes that while this is good for those looking to obey the law, someone that was supplying guns to gangs could easily get the criminals the guns they want because of this? I'm not saying it's all bad, just that it's not exactly helping.
  7. Grizz

    Grizz Active Member

    The gangsters buy what's on the street, they don't like spending more than $50 on a "piece". I think this really helps the people
  8. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    These CA laws are STUPID.

    If there is a way around them (legal loophole) it sure does not bother me. These laws exist because there are people in control that do not want you and me to have guns, any guns. Every road block they throw in the way frustrates some of us enough to make us walk away from buying any gun... That's their plan.

    The bad guys can get whatever they want through illegal channels and if and when all the guns dry up they will still have them. And when there are no guns they'll have knives or whatever will hurt you and me. It is the way society works now and has for all the history of humans on this earth. Us good guys need protection and if it is AW's or 15 round mags or any guns at all then we NEED to go for it.

    The only way to protect yourself against street gangs is to be better armed than they are and be a better shooter. They don't want a gun fight with an armed non-gang person and just knowing everybody has the potential of owning a gun is safety in and of itself. Staying out of the drug culture altogether is still another way that will work almost all the time. Taking away my gun is no protection for me.

  9. Silencer

    Silencer Well-Known Member

    Word of warning about these guns, cops tend to think you're doing something illegal and will do a felony stop on you when they see you.
  10. Grizz

    Grizz Active Member

    And here I thought cops were supposed to serve and protect
  11. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    If the "guns" are in a case in the trunk or out of sight how would any COP even know what you have?

    The guns are legal. Sonoma County is in a lawsuit for erroneously making an illegal arrest of a CA legal AW owner and it will probably cost them a pretty penny. You don't think other city PD's have not taken notice?

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