call for better interfaith

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  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    The Socio-Christlams ( socialist driven proponants of islam that also call themselves Christian) as i call them are calling for a better Interfaith dialogue here and published a proposed agenda outline for interfaith meetings ..

    here it is as published

    AGENDA for Interfaith Meeting
    1. Welcoming address by Chair

    2. Moses and the TEN Commandments (chaired by Rabbi)

    - discuss any ONE of the TEN Commandments
    - review Mohammed’s actions against the Commandment

    3. The Teachings of Jesus (chaired by Christian Minister)

    - discuss any ONE of the nominated teachings
    - review Mohammed’s actions against the Teaching

    4. Islam and Mohammed (chaired by Imam)

    - review the TEN Tenets of Islam
    - discuss ONE topic from Islam’s history
    - discuss ONE topic on women in Islam

    5. General Business

    - discuss items as agreed to at the start of the meeting

    6. Closing address by Chair

    - agree on topics for next meeting

    7. Fellowship and Meeting Close

    - tea, coffee and biscuits

    One of the foundation principles espoused by those in the Islamic camp is that Islam is the “newest” Abrahamic faith and so logically replaces Judaism and Christianity. They also claim the importance of earlier prophets like Mohammed and Jesus, but of course, Jews and Christians are often confused by the profiles Islam presents of these two prophets.

    So maybe what is needed is to take a more structured approach to Interfaith, exploring those things that should be “in common” to all three Abrahamic faiths.

    It is proposed to conduct Interfaith meetings in a new format broken down into sessions, and with the historical perspective in mind, the first session should be on Moses, the next on Jesus and the third on Mohammed and Islam. The fourth session will allow for “General Business” with the opportunity to raise new matters of interest.

    So the NEW agenda would be: ( if yours truly was writting it )

    1. Welcoming Address

    The Chair should welcome all invitees and guests.
    The agenda should be confirmed at this time, and especially which ONE of the TEN Commandments will be addressed, which ONE of the teachings of Jesus will be discussed, which ONE topic from Islamic history will be outlined, which ONE topic on Women’s issues will be covered and what items of General Business will be dealt with.

    2. Moses and the TEN Commandments

    The Meeting will have selected ONE of the following for discussion at the meeting, so these notes will be helpful to conduct this session.

    2.1 You shall not covet your neighbour’s goods.

    One example is the Banu Nadir and the torture and killing of Kinana to find the treasure, but encourage the Imam to provide more.
    Mohammed had heard about a large treasure and to find its location, he tortured the grandson of Abu Rafi, a man named Kinana, by placing fire on his chest. The treasure was found and Kinana put to death.
    After the victory, men of fighting age were killed, the children and women were taken as captives. [Bukhari 2.14.68] And the women of the Khybar were distributed among the Muslims, records Ibn Ishaq.

    2.2 You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife

    The story of Zainab, the wife of Mohammed’s stepson, is a good example..
    Kitab al Tabaqat, 8:101-102; Muhammed Ibn Yahya Hayyan narrated:

    “The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha’s house seeking him. Zainab Bint Hahsh stood up to meet him in a housedress… and the Prophet was filled with admiration for her.”

    Discuss the revelation in Sura 33.37 saying that Allah had married them in Heaven, and also Sura 33.4 which absolved the practise of adoption in the Muslim world and got Mohammed “out of a jam”.

    2.3 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour
    There are so many examples where Mohammed condoned and encouraged lying, even to have an adversary killed. He produced a Sura 16.106 which allows a Muslim to lie if “threatened”.
    Islam has Doctrines of Taqiyya (lying for faith) and Kithman (lying by omission) which also condone lying.
    Discuss Bukhari [5.59.369] and the killing of Ka’b bin Al-Ashral.

    2.4 You shall not steal

    Mohammed not only condoned and encouraged “looting” but he provided rules whereby the Prophet of Allah received one fifth of the booty. Discuss Sura 8.41.
    Also Mohammed’s examples with the Banu Qurayza in 627AD and at Khaybar in 628AD where booty was accepted as part of the deal is worth reviewing.

    2.5 You shall not commit adultery

    After the battle of Qurayza, Mohammed claimed a beautiful woman named Rayhana, whose family had just been killed, and took her to his bed that same evening. Mohammed set an example of sharing married women among his followers after each battle, committing adultery every time. Discuss Sura 4.34.

    2.6 You shall not kill

    Probably the best example here is the killing of over 700 Banu Qurayza Jews whom Mohammed had declined to go into exile, and instead took part in the beheading of all males “with pubic hair”. The Quran tells the story in Sura 33:26-27, with Mohammed himself chopping off the heads of two Jewish leaders.

    2.7 Honour your Father and Mother

    Accepting the fact that Mohammed’s father died before he was born and his Mother when he was but a small child, it still remains that his actions of lying and deceit, robbing, killing, raping women and setting captives into slavery, in every sense means that he has “dishonoured his Father and Mother”. Discuss.

    3. The Teachings of Jesus

    The Christian minister now takes the chair and shall discuss just ONE of the agreed teachings of Jesus and examine how Mohammed conducted his life against this teaching.

    3.1 Jesus taught that the MEEK will inherit the earth.

    Mohammed taught that through TERROR you will inherit the earth.
    Mohammed teaches the opposite to the Beatitudes of Jesus and claims “I have been made victorious with terror ” [Bukhari 4.220] And from the Quran “I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [Q8.12]

    3.2 Jesus performed miracles.

    Mohammed could NOT perform miracles.
    From the New Testament, Jesus performed dozens of miracles, the first being at the wedding in Cana where Jesus turned water into wine. At the Last Supper, Jesus made a new and everlasting covenant with bread and wine which represents the body and blood of Christ.
    Mohammed however banned wine! Neither did Mohammed perform miracles. [Q29.50] Discuss.

    3.3 Jesus made those who were blind to see.
    Mohammed made those who could see to be blind.
    Jesus healed a blind beggar near Jericho.
    Mohammed put out the eyes of prisoners so they lost their sight. [Bukhari 8.794]

    3.4 Jesus made those who were lame to walk.

    Mohammed made those who could walk to be lame.
    Jesus healed a paralysed man lying on a bed. Mohammed made those who could walk to be cutting off their feet [Bukhari 8.794] This is now in Sharia Law. Discuss.

    3.5 Jesus healed withered hands.

    Mohammed cut off hands.
    Jesus healed a man with a withered hand in a synagogue. Mohammed cut off the hands of others [Bukhari 8.795] and now it is enshrined in Sharia Law. Discuss.

    3.6 Jesus saved an adulterous woman from stoning

    Mohammed stoned women for adultery.
    Jesus saved a woman accused of adultery and so banned this practise. Mohammed practised stoning and it is legal under Sharia Law for Muslims. [Muslim 17.4207] [Bukhari 8.82.803]

    3.7 Jesus raised the dead back to life.

    Mohammed caused those who had life to be dead.
    Jesus raised Lazarus to life from his tomb near Bethany. Mohammed killed the living [ibn Hisham p308] and of course took part in beheading Jews of the Banu Quraiza tribe. [Q33:25-27]

    3.8 Jesus forgave his opponents.

    Mohammed murdered his opponents.
    Jesus forgave the sinner crucified beside him on Calvary.
    Mohammed however had his opponents murdered. [Bukhari 5.370]

    3.9 Jesus set the condemned free.

    Mohammed condemned the free and set them into slavery.
    Jesus set the condemned free, like the woman accused of adultery. Mohammed condemned free men captured in battle and put them into slavery. [ibn Hisham p466]
    Slavery is legal in all four schools of Islamic Sharia Law and is still practised today. Discuss.

    3.10 Jesus taught to store up treasures in Heaven.

    Mohammed taught to store up booty on Earth.
    Jesus tells a rich man who had kept the Ten Commandments that he was to sell all he owned and give to the poor to store up treasures in Heaven.
    Mohammed stored up booty taken in battle and divided it up among his followers, with one fifth going to Allah’s apostle. [Bukhari 4.327]

    3.11 Jesus preached for a one man-one woman marriage and against polygamy.

    Mohammed allowed men to have four wives, temporary marriages as well as concubines.
    Jesus taught that “a man shall leave his father and be joined to his wife and they will become ONE flesh.
    Mohammed allowed up to 4 wives, as well as concubines, or “what your right hand possesses”.
    [Q4.3] Mohammed also condoned “temporary” marriages, such as Muta ( temporary marriage for pleasure) and Misyar (traveller’s marriage) to suit people with independent lives. [Sura 4.24, 5.87]

    3.12 Jesus taught that in Heaven people would be “as angels” and not marry.

    Mohammed said that men in Heaven enjoy endless sex with virgins.
    Jesus said that in Heaven that people wont marry or be given in marriage and that they will be “as angels”, whereas Mohammed promised endless sex for men with many virgins. [Q55:54-78]

    4. Islam and Mohammed

    The Imam now takes the chair and shall conduct the next 3 sessions. Because Islam is the “newest” religion, it is appropriate to quickly review the TEN Tenets of Islam. This should take no more than 10 minutes. Then the Imam reviews ONE history topic taken from the list, and ONE topic on women’s issues.

    4.1 TEN Tenets of Islam

    1. Every muslim must follow Mohammed’s example.
    The Quran is quite explicit here, that every muslim should follow the “perfect example” of Mohammed..

    “Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct). [Sura 33.21]

    2. The first duty is to Jihad.

    Now consider what Mohammed tells us is the greatest priority for every muslim. Bukhari [2.26.594]
    The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."

    3. The whole world must be converted to Islam.

    The Quran now tells us that Mohammed was sent to bring Islam to the whole world.

    “It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”. [Sura 9.33]

    4. Mohammed states that Terror brings Victory.

    Mohammed is very clear here. He achieved victory through the use of Terror! Al-Bukhari [4.52.220]:
    Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy).

    5. Allah will punish you if you don’t fight.

    From the Quran discuss:
    “Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.” [Sura 9.39]

    6. Muslims must fight ALL non muslims.

    “O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.” [Sura 9.123]

    Also discuss that infidels are your sworn enemies [Sura 4.101], and you must be ruthless to the infidel [Sura 48.29]. Neither may you take Jews and Christians as friends. [ Sura 5.51]

    7. Fight with any means available to you.

    Discuss that there are NO rules! You can use whatever means you have to instil terror and conduct Jihad.
    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war). [Sura 9.29]

    8. If a muslim leaves Islam, you must kill them.

    Discuss the implications if you leave Islam that you must be killed. Consider this from the Quran:
    “But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them.” [Sura 4.89]

    9. If you suspect another muslim is not on the correct path, kill them.

    Whoever creates disunity in the Islamic community kill him…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 3.40.4744)
    (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 40.4747) asks to murder those Muslims who are insincere in their faith.

    10. If you get killed fighting for Allah, you will go to Paradise.
    “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain”. [Sura 9.111] Discuss.

    4.2 History of Islam
    For the presentation the Imam should cover the following:
    a) size of invading army and weapons
    b) numbers killed in seizing territory
    c) numbers of women raped and put into concubinage
    d) number of slaves taken
    e) nature and size of booty captured
    f) implementation of Jiyza tax
    g) effect on host nation culture
    The Imam will present a summary of just ONE case agreed to at the start
    of the meeting.

    History List:
    Select ONE from
    a) Qurayza and Khybar
    b) Palestine and Jerusalem
    d) Iraq and Syria
    e) Egypt,
    f) Spain
    g) Turkey and Constantinople
    h) Indian sub-continent or
    i) Balkans.

    4.3 Women in Islam

    Here the Imam will present ONE case based on a topic selected from the list:
    a) Female Genital Mutilation, b) child marriage, c) Polygamy, d) concubines, e) temporary marriage contracts, f) Hijabs and body coverings, g) legal status of women or h) wife beating by husband.

    A revamp of Interfaith meetings is long overdue.
    The new format proposed for Interfaith meetings should revitalize meetings and ensure greater participation and also larger audiences. Hopefully it should benefit people from all faiths! and show up the ones from the death cult

  2. dad2thebone

    dad2thebone New Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    sounds like the guy had a tude goin where does jim jones come in?
  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    jim jones as of the people temple and the atrocities in south America ?

    another false prophet scamming folks , into death , just like mohamed ..

    i do hope that The Good Lord saw those who where forced to drink the poisoned koolaid and honoured there faith in Him , but thats why we where warned to look out for false prophets
  4. dad2thebone

    dad2thebone New Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    some large numbers of them here. Or as i call em "for profit prophets" but nuttin like i slam
  5. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    by their DEED's shall ye know them ...
  6. jbmid1

    jbmid1 Active Member

    Feb 3, 2011
    Amen Jack!
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