Carrying all the time

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    rhinoman
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    It's weird, my girlfriend likes having a gun in the house but she thinks CCW is silly. Let me explain. We live in a fairly secluded area in western Ma on twenty acres. There are coyotes, bear ect where we live. We have livestock and two kids in the house. We also have two huge dogs that will do their job should someone come busting through the door at 2am. She had a CCW permit but had let it expire. She just hadn't got around to renewing it. She had this permit when I met her! I also had a permit but was not exercising my right for fear that I'd violate some weird Ma-liberal-imposed law. I recently grew tired of living in fear of my own government and started carrying again. I used to carry all the time in SC. To tell the truth my way of thinking is this: the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon. I made that up myself, cool huh. Seriously, I'm sick of my constitutional rights being violated. This is not subject to different interpretations and no Mr Ashcroft there are no "reasonable restrictions" where this matter is concerned. Shall not be INFRINGED upon. Back to the girlfriend thing. She refuses to go out with me or allow [her] children to go out with me while I am carrying. She thinks it's safe around here and I'm being weird. I don't get it. Gun in the house in the middle of nowhere low crime area just in case=great. Gun at side in holster when venturing out into a sometimes hostile word=silly. Anyone else with the same/similar problem?
    The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.

    Edited by: rhinoman at: 12/31/02 1:20:51 pm

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    Remind your girlfriend of the Deerfield Massacre in 1704, and tell her you're "carrying" just in case the Mohawks come back.

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    rhinoman - you might ask her what is the difference in you having a CCW permit and her. She had one at one time so she must of felt there was a reason. If you've proven yourself to be safe around firearms (which I'm assuming here you have) then the chances of you doing something stupid while carrying are somewhat slim. After all I've noticed most people are far more polite while carrying concealed than when not carrying (never quite figured that out but it may have to do with responsibility and maturity).

    My mother doesn't mind going with me when I'm carrying even when I go to the mall with her. It's a part of my outfit - a part of me (and I am female).

    I'm hoping your girlfriend changes her mind - but if she didn't care enough to renew her CCW permit when it lapsed she must not really want to carry concealed. You may find it very hard to change that kind of mind set.


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    Quote some years ago, I had a girlfriend that went
    ballistic when she found out I even owned any
    firearms, I guess we weren't together long enough
    for the topic to come up, and I had no previous
    clues that she was as anti-gun as they come.

    My answer to her was to say "BYE BYE!"

    Of course, we weren't really an item or together
    that long, so it really wasn't a big deal to call it
    quits. However, this isn't advise, it's only a situation
    I was in years ago, and the decision I made.

    The woman I've been with for over 10-years now
    was afraid of guns when we first met, but now she's
    not only pro-gun, but she's also NRA certified in
    combat handgun.

    I think what changed her mind was educating her on the
    actual facts, and taking her to the range with me to shoot.

    She enjoys shooting a lot(wheather permiting)but she sure
    can run a fella low on ammo also!

    I wish you luck in your situation!


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    rhinoman
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    My situation is very strange. You see my girlfriend is not afraid of guns or anti-gun. We shoot together. She has made the comment that "even if you where an off-duty police officer I wouldn't allow you to carry around me or the kids. The same thing goes for my father" (her father also has a CCW). I have tried logic. For instance, I've told her that this house is probably the safest place we can be and that it's when we venture out that trouble could occur. If she feels safer here in this house with a gun, than so much more out in the sometimes hostile world. The thing is, it is unlikely I should ever have to deploy a handgun in defense of my family or self. How much less than likely am I to have such means of self defense should it become necessary if I don't carry at all times. It's like only putting your seatbelt on sometimes. I used to carry all the time when I lived in SC. The only reason I didn't carry here after I got my permit was fear. I feared I would do something that violated some bizarre Ma-liberal-imposed law that I didn't know about. The more I think about it and the more I watch the events of the world unfold the more I say to hell with violations of my second amendment rights. I am in greater fear of not having a firearm on me when it is needed than of those ridiculous restrictions on my civil liberties. The other thing is of course, that as a civilized, law abiding man, I wish to...well abide by the law. When that law however has no regard for me or my safety and clearly violates my constitutional rights than it is time for civil disobedience. Rather than look at it as doing something illegal I am participating in civil disobedience. Even this is arguable since the second amendment very clearly denies the government (US or State since all states must grant their people rights described in the constitution as inalienable) the right to infringe upon my right to keep or bear arms. I would concede that our forefathers could not have imagined nor had in mind weapons of mass destruction. I do not believe that individuals have the right to posses nuclear weapons. I have a CCW but here in Ma the regulations are such that it really is impossible not to violate them if you own a firearm. There are just so many regulations dreamed up in the heads of the idiot anti-gun-bleeding-heart-liberals running the state. To add insult to injury as the saying goes, my employer does not allow "weapons" on company grounds. This is company policy, yet so far armed guards have not come to my house to pick me up and bring me to work! I am to fend for myself, weaponless, in an increasingly hostile world. Does my company give a crap about my safety? No. Are they thinking only of themselves and possible liability suits? Yes. Would I be a moron if I complied with that policy? Yes. Might I also be a dead moron should I comply with that policy? Yes. So the government would rather see me dead than a violent offender: my employer would rather see me dead than face a lawsuit: and my girlfriend would rather see me (and possibly her or the kids or all of us) dead than put this irrational "feeling" she has aside. It's not like we met yesterday. "I met this guy yesterday and he seems nice but he always carries a gun with him. I'm kinda worried. What if he's some kind of nut or something? What if he's a trigger happy fool?" If you where to ask my girlfriend (I have) I'm sure she would say "no I trust
    The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.

    southcross
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    I am really tired of my personal feelings and opinions being put on a public site. I am the "girlfriend" and my "boyfriend" and all of you that were so quick to comment have no idea what I believe or know about firearms! I attended a police academy, have a criminal justice degree and yes do shoot and have hunted in the past. My father has several firearms and I have always had a firearm in the house, which I did carry when I went to the range.
    My house is situated with a small banked area for practice, so I don't need to go anywhere.
    I feel very safe where I live and do not feel the need to go out with a firearm.
    It is my choice to feel this way, I am pro-gun and very supportive in people rights to own a firearm of their choice. It is also my choice to not go out while carrying or with anyone while carrying including with MY children. We are both in the medical profession, is it worth losing your job/license to prove a point?
    Perhaps he needs to move back in with his parents and find someone obviously more suited to what he wants.
    Just a final note, it wasn't until just before Christmas this year he decided this is how it will be, after over a year and no mention prior.
    Thanks for letting me post a reply.


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    southcross -

    First off, - welcome to The Firearms Forum. It is our pleasure to have you join us, and we hope you will continue to post in the various topic discussion areas on the site.

    You are certainly welcome for posting your reply, and we look forward to further replies and/or postings from you.

    Getting directly to the point, I am a bit mystified by your post of last night. While I can understand your concern regarding personal identity and feelings, as well as your background, it is my honest belief that somehow, somewhere along the way, the true meaning and intent of rhinomans' post(s) have become misconstrued or misunderstood. Maybe I am wrong in my interpretation of the topic, and this is what is causing my mystification.

    I ask you indulge me the opportunity to offer an explanation of my views on the subject. It is my belief that rhinoman meant no harm by his post(s). Save the word "silly" used in a couple of instances, he made no accusations, insinuations, derogatory or demeaning statements concerning you or your opinions. I view his comments as statements that provide an insight and background as to his reason for posting. I actually regard his post(s) as a request to the members of the forum for our views and assistance in obtaining information on an alternative way to approach you concerning carrying a concealed weapon while you are "out and about"", either with or without the kids.

    He provides certain facts:
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    She had a CCW permit but had let it expire. She just hadn't got around to renewing it. She had this permit when I met her!
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    She refuses to go out with me or allow [her] children to go out with me while I am carrying
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    which are nonjudgmental. These statements are provided as a means for anyone desiring to make a response to use as information to be considered.

    He relates great concern for "life" with his statement:
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    So the government would rather see me dead than a violent offender: my employer would rather see me dead than face a lawsuit: and my girlfriend would rather see me (and possibly her or the kids or all of us) dead than put this irrational "feeling" she has aside.
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    I do not find his use of the term "irrational "feeling"" as derogatory or demeaning; on the other hand I believe it indicates his concern regarding the issue of concealed carry. His entire post appears to be directed more at his concern to "be prepared" for an(any) unpleasant encounter or eventuality rather than berating you in any manner.

    Rhinoman is providing this information in a positive manner to indicate your personal knowledge, familiarity and acceptance of firearms, as well as the responsibilities inherent with owning and carrying a concealed weapon.

    No one is challenging your feelings or opinions. You have not been identified by name or location. You have, on the other hand, been referred to in a positive reference as "my girlfriend", rather than any negative connotation such as "my old lady" or "the broad/bi**h I'm going with". Your creditability and opinion have been affirmed in a positive, rather than derogatory context.

    I hope the situation you and rhinoman are experiencing is resolved amicably for the benefit of both of you.

    Regards

    P.S. We do have a situation somewhat similar to this in this same forum.
    It is somewhat different in that the other situation concerns a man and wife, with the wife adamantly opposed to firearms. If you are at all interested, you may view the topic here: Siumilary Situation

    rhinoman
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    ruffitt you're right on the money about the tone and intentions of my post. I checked both of my post under this topic though and noted the word silly only once. Initial posting: "she thinks CCW is SILLY". Anyway, thanks for the support. The problem cannot be resolved. That's what my post is about I guess, beating ones own head against the proverbial wall, trying to change "feelings" with logic and common sense. Now about these Ma gun laws!
    The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.

    JackRyann
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    Looks like the provervial "spit" has hit the fan now.

    Hence the direction I would have taken. NOT THAT I SUGGESTED, just that I would have gone.

    Some things there is just no reasoning. Everyone comes to their own conclusion. At that point it becomes do you want to do something, does she, will you both tolerate the other one participating in that activity. Do you/she want that activity bad enough to chose it over your partner if the other won't tolerate it. It doesn't matter at that point if it is a "right" a "want" or good or bad. It is can it be tolerated in the relation ship, yes or no and logic will not alter the preference.
    --44 mag, when you're ready to get serious--

    Zigzag2
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    There's more to the story than 1st meets the eye, and even more of a difference of opinions.

    Thanks Ruffitt, for going that extra mile...

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    "Tell the gossipers and liars I will see them in the fire" - Johnny Cash, Let the train whistle blow
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    rhinoman -

    Just trying to put everything into perspective and in a positive light. There is so much unwanted, or unneeded, negativism regarding firearms in this day and age that we must ALL provide as much positive reinforcement as we can, whenever we can.

    BTW, you did use the word "silly" two times in your original post:
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    It's weird, my girlfriend likes having a gun in the house but she thinks CCW is silly
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    which is the first sentence in the paragraph; and
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    Gun at side in holster when venturing out into a sometimes hostile word=silly
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    which is the next to last sentence in the paragraph.

    JackRyan -

    I guess you would be villified in your statement, had you made it in this topic area.
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    Hence the direction I would have taken. NOT THAT I SUGGESTED, just that I would have gone.
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    However, your statement was made in another thread with somewhat similar, but different circumstances. Reference: JackRyan Statement (4th entry down)

    zooboor
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    Hi
    I'm from Israel and because of of all the crazy things that go around here I have to carry at all time.
    we dont have a CCW system so we can "open carry" and take the gun everywhere.

    Zigzag2
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    Hello zooboor, and welcome to The Firearms Forum.

    I hope you enjoy what we offer in our many forums, and feel free to join in anywhere.

    I hope you don't need to use your weapon, but for punching holes in paper.

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    Edited by: Zigzag2 at: 1/4/03 3:56:17 pm

    JackRyann
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    Sorry they all seem to start running together about this time of night.

    --44 mag, when you're ready to get serious--

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    That's O.K., JackRyan, I know what you mean. I'm a night person, so the same thing happens to me in the late morning or early afternoon when I've been up all night.

    Regards

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    zooboor -

    Welcome to our little home on the internet. You will find this place informative, educational and side splitting funny (sometimes all in the same thread).

    Glad you have joined us and hope you will come back and be a frequent poster.

    Regards

    Alaskan Westy
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    I see that it's been a while since this has been commented on, but a sidearm is like a spare tire and jack in your car. You hope you never need to use them, but if you have a flat, you want to change the tire. Even though most of us drive hundreds of thousands of miles without a flat, it is a warm fuzzy feeling to know you have a spare..... don't want to have to use it, but will if you need to.

    My two cents worth......

    Westy

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    I agree!


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    "Tac's Creed"



    "Relationships May Come & Go, But My Firearms Will Always Be There!"

    Couldn't Resist!
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    Edited by: Tac401 at: 2/23/03 1:19:08 am

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    Add a good dog and my tools to that. Problem solved. Woman gone. I'll miss the kids and the farm but she'd become a totalitarian dictator. Whole thing very wierd. Maybe it's hormonal.
    The fight for freedom is not fought overseas in distant lands with guns, missles and bombs. It is fought here with words, pen and paper and I fear, we are loosing it.

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    Rhinoman, I'm sorry things didn't work out. Hang in there, and one day you'll find just the right woman, someone who shares your views on firearms.

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    rhinoman -

    Sorry to hear of your situation, particularly on Valentine's Day.

    Some things are meant to be, some are not.

    Time now to move on with your life and not dwell in the past, hard as it may be. You were at least honest with yourself and your convictions and did not compromise your beliefs. That is a strength that will serve you well in the future.

    Regards

    SouthernPainter
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    It could be that if you have a difference on this issue, there are others things that would be a problem. When my husband and I were first dating, I carried my pistol with me our dates. He didn't know it until much later. He still married me anyway. You will find the right one. Hang in there.

    Tac401
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    Haven't had much time to check in here lately however,
    I agree with what SouthernPainter & rest have said.

    Not your fault, hang'n in is what it's about & good
    will come to you Rhino!


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