case question

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by ryan42, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    Hello,Im new to this forum,seems like theres more traffic on here than most forums wich I like. I reload 45acp and Im going to a military gun show this weekend and I was wondering how you tell if the cases are military grade.thanks for any input.
  2. Country101

    Country101 Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2004
    NW AR
    I cant help you there, Ryan, but welcome to the forum. Somebody should be along shortly that will be able to steer you in the right direction.

  3. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    thanks country
  4. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    The headstamp will be numerical. For example a commercial federal case will say federal .45 Auto. And a military federal case will say FC 09 for instance.

    I have a bunch of TZZ cases from the 70s. Good brass for the 1911s.
  5. CampingJosh

    CampingJosh Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2007

    Welcome to TFF! I'm just down the road from you in Rushville, and I have a brother who went to IWU in Marion.

    JLA answered your question, but I wanted to chime in and say hello. :)
  6. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    hey camping josh thats only 5 miles from my home I live close to 18 and 69.Ive been shooting for awhile and just started reloading a couple of months ago for a hobby.
  7. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    It is a worthwhile hobby. I started out on a Lee anniversary kit and now I have a whole room full of equipment. I learned long ago reloading wont save you any money, but it will put you on the range shooting a wider array of firearms and lots more ammo at your disposal.
  8. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    I don’t understand the question, myself.

    Federal, to use the company JLA mentioned, makes a run of brass. They headstamp it FEDERAL 45 ACP. They make another run. They stamp these FC 98. They are the same stuff. The one stamped Federal was made for civilian sales, while the one stamped FC was made for military, but they are the same thing.

    Now, supposedly, military RIFLE brass is thicker than civilian brass. But then, Remington brass is thicker than Winchester brass, so maybe ALL military rifle brass isn’t thicker. But, as far as I know, military pistol brass is the same wall thickness as civilian. The flash hole is the same diameter. Aside from the crimp on the primer, that you have to remove, it’s the same stuff.

    So, what exactly is “military grade”?
  9. BlackEagle

    BlackEagle Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2011
    Welcome to the forum from an "ex patriot-Hoosier". I grew up in Broad Ripple, north side of Indianapolis. You will find a lot of friendly help, general discussion, and good fun here.
  10. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    Hey JLA thats what I got for christmas is a 50th anniversary lee press kit.I appreciate the info ALPO,I didnt know if there was a difference ,thats why I asked the question how do you tell them apart just in case there was maybe I should have worded it different sorry,thanks for all the replies.
  11. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    As alpo stated, the milsurp stuff will have crimped in primers. You simply resize/decap as normal then cut or swage the crimp out of the primer pocket. Commercial brass doesnt have crimped in primers so no need to cut or swage anything out, just run em thru the dies and load em up.

    For removing the primer crimp I find the inside chamfer side of the case debur tool does dandy, just a couple quick turns and its good to go.
  12. medalguy

    medalguy Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    New Mexico
    SOME military .45 cases will be crimped, but I find that most are not crimped. Otherwise there's no real difference. The crimped cases are usually made around 1970 or earlier, not exactly sure of the date they stopped crimping them. Probably whenever they got rid of the Thompsons and M3 grease guns I suppose.

    Do you know what a crimped primer looks like? Notice the depressed ring around the edge of the primer pocket here

    Attached Files:

  13. 312shooter

    312shooter Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    Las Vegas NV
    Not true! Large quantities of military brass are still crimped today, FC and especially WCC.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2012
  14. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    thanks alot now I will atleast know what im looking at,I learned something from everyone of you guys thanks nice picture,big help
  15. ryan42

    ryan42 New Member

    Jan 28, 2012
    marion indiana
    Hey JLA what part of texas you live,my oldest brother live in Keller a suburb of ft.worth,And I worked in dallas 20 years ago
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