Castle doctrine

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  1. Double D

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    "It’s not like a case where there were three other witnesses. Who else is going to say he was fearing for his safety when he shot Trayvon Martin?”
    Oh really! Zimmerman said that he feard for his life as Martin was on top of him, beating him with his fists, and slamming his head into the concrete sidewalk. One witness has confirmed that situation by stating to police that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him, while Zimmerman cried for help. Then there is the police report. It also confirms that Zimmerman was on his back, as it was covered with grass, and grass stains. It further indicated that Zimmerman had laserations to the back of his head, and that his nose was broken, and that Zimmerman had cuts around his face. That makes three in my book!

    "George Zimmerman expected to take the stand in Trayvon Martin murder case, legal observers say". NBC already knows that Zimmerman is guilty!

    "But Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of Martin during a scuffle in a gated Sanford, Fla., community on Feb. 26, will need to explain why he thought his life was in danger when he shot the unarmed black teenager, attorneys not involved with the case say".
    A "scuffle"? Broke nose, laserations to the back of the head from being pounded into the concret, and that's a "Scuffle"? Play down Martins part in this NBC!

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation...merman-bail-hearing-to-be-held-next-week.html

    For all the relief among civil rights activists over the arrest, legal experts warned there is a real chance the case could get thrown out before it ever goes to trial because of the “stand your ground” law.

    At a pretrial hearing, Zimmerman’s lawyers would only have to prove by a preponderance of evidence — a relatively low legal standard — that he acted in self-defense in order to get a judge to toss out the second-murder charges. And if that fails and the case does go to trial, the defense can raise the argument all over again.

    There’s a “high likelihood it could be dismissed by the judge even before the jury gets to hear the case,” Florida defense attorney Richard Hornsby said. Karin Moore, an assistant professor of law at Florida A&M University, said the law “puts a tremendous burden on the state to prove that it wasn’t self-defense.”
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    I wouldn't want to be in his place. All this national attention, they want blood. Only time will tell. If this was black on black or white on white he would never have been arrested.
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    How do we know that the Martin kid wasn't the one "standing his ground"? He was confronted by a person almost twice his size, maybe he believed he was being attacked.:confused:
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    I dont know if you seen it but I heard a report that trayonn was trying to get zimmermans gun,That was leaked by a defense attorney,I dont know if it was zimmermans first attorney or not.
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    Define twice his size...
    http://www.ajc.com/news/q-a-on-the-1412739.html
    Martin was actually taller than Zimmerman, and weighed only 10-30 lbs less, depending upon which source you choose.
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  8. Bobitis

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    Sniff, sniff... My allergies are acting up. :rolleyes:
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    Even if Zimmerman didn't shoot martin, and martin knocked Zimmerman unconscious, martin was protecting his space from an intruder...
    Martin was a citizen innocently walking home when confronted by Mr supercop...
    It was 2nd degree murder and 1st degree stupidity...martins dead for no reason zimmermanshould have stood his ground at his truck,not in martins face..
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    LOL....and let the games begin.....again. Some people are clueless to fact and merely want to speculate.

    Let me explain this to all the Martin lovers that like to jump in on this debate and feverishly defend that kid.

    **Zimmerman is not a racist and if you have been watching a real news program you would see where ABC, NBC and all the left leaning media outlets have been backtracking on everything they have reported on.

    **Zimmerman had every right to patrol his neighborhood and watch out for suspicious characters and follow them if he wanted.....even ask that punk what he was doing without being jumped (if that's what happened)

    **The kid was no saint and if you want to speculate like you Liberals race baiter, crybabies do...then speculate that just like many young black men running the streets wild at night...that this thug wanna be punk probably had an attitude problem and jumped Zimmerman (just like Zimmerman stated to the police).

    **If Martin jumped Zimmerman then Georgie boy had every right to end Martin's life.....especially if Martin was pounding the back of Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk. (that could have led to unconsciousness and further attack, severe brain damage and/or death)

    **FL is going to have a hard time convicting this guy if they stick to the facts and don't try to railroad Zimmerman with speculation or smoke and mirrors.....especially since that idiot charged him with 2nd degree murder. (should have been manslaughter)

    **This case will be won if the defense effectively argues that there were two separate events that night. One being when Zimmerman called the police, got out of his car to follow Martin and get the building #. Second when he broke away from following of Martin, was going back to his vehicle, and was attacked by Martin. (which is going to be the likely defense strategy)

    All I can say to all the people that have already condemned Zimmerman. Don't get upset if Zimmerman doesn't get convicted and walks away free and clear.
  11. mintaka

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    I don't know where you get your info from....the national sherrifs assn in its rules for neighborhood watch programs states 'no person who looks suspicious or dangerous should be personally confronted by NW people'..Mr supercop screwed up and black or white don't matter...no rational unarmed person of any color would confront a suspiscios hooded black man at night, it was the fact that Zimmerman was armed that he followed martin on foot...again electing himself neighborhood supercop...its not a race issue its an issue of prudent behavior, bad choice Mr Z
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    One thing is clear the Martins have made millions on this . Every rally has collecting buckets Hoodie and t shirt sales copy right his pictures ( of which none recent have ever been published most show him at 12 and 14) and the phrase Justice for
    Trayvon.

    Zimmerman deserves his day in court and I hope he wins but I don't think he will ever be a free man again. Too bad the media and others out there have made this into a race issue. If it was a black man shooting a white young man there would be no big deal
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    As much as this event has been discussed all over the internet and news media and you still only have this prejudiced version of the story!!!! Go do some research and see what the rest of the story is.:(
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    National Sheriff's (not sherrifs) Association ....blah, blah, blah. Smoke and Mirrors. That fact of the matter with that is...it doesn't matter. Watching, following, even asking another human a question isn't a crime. I would like to see the document that Zimmerman signed saying he would follow these rules. It is private property...not owned by the NSA.

    Oh yeah...Confrontation is the word the sheep like to use. Where is the proof he confronted the kid? You lose any rational argument when you start assuming rather than sticking to the facts.

    Electing himself........again blah, blah, blah. He was reportedly elected by the residents of the neighborhood to be watch captain. That doesn't sound like self appointed or self elected to me.

    Martin was the one who made the bad choice by jumping on a man that was armed.......

    Look on the bright side...if it wasn't this Hispanic man doing it, it would have probably been another black guy a few years from now. The facts at least support that little tid bit.
  15. Bobitis

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    Rest of the story? Facts?

    Silly goose...
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    From multiple sources instead of being spoof fed to me by those with an agenda

    So? The National Sheriff's Assn. is NOT a law enforcement agency or official agency of any type. It is an advocacy group no different than the NAACP or NBPP. Their "rules" are nothing more than recomendations.

    Neither does the truth, apparently. You've already made up your mind and nothing will change that. The more you are proven wrong, the more you will result to hype and hysteria to prove your point. The proof is in your continued use of the word "supercop" to refer to Zimmerman, in an obvious attempt to divert attention away from your lack of any proof.
    What an unmitigated, racist, BS comment that completely lacks any foundation in reality. Did you really just say that "suspicious hooded black" men are so scary and dangerous that nobody in their right mind would approach them at night?
    So you've read his mind and know his motivations or are you basing this upon what you WANT to believe. This may or may not be the case, but to date, there has been nothing that even resembles and proof for this wild claim.
    Again with the use of the word "supercop". Maybe he was doing what he was supposed to do in his mind. Follow, observe, and report.
    In your view, it absolutely is a race issue other wise you wouldn't have made the comment
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    You ask for fact....is it a fact that martin jumped Zimmerman? If so says who....
    The only irrefutible facts are
    Martin is dead
    Martin was unarmed
    Zimmerman followed martin after 911 told him it was not advisable
    Martin had recorded phone conversation with girl friend
    Anything else is zimmermans story could be fact or not
    Guess we will eventually see..Mr Made poor initial judgement call and all went downhillafter that..to say that the kid would eventually be killed anyway, makes everything else you say very questionable to say the least
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    So based upon the "irrefutible facts" that you cite, what is your basis for your opinions about what happened and continued referral of Zimmerman as "supercop" or "Mr Made poor initial judgement"?
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    :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
  20. Bobitis

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    The facts are, Z was attacked. His head was being beat into the pavement. And you refuse to understand the facts.

    Go troll somewhere else.
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