Church Carry? POLL!

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by VegasTech702, May 14, 2010.

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Right to church carry?

Poll closed May 19, 2010.
  1. As long is it stays concealed... what gun?

    33 vote(s)
    84.6%
  2. Depending on the church's opinion

    2 vote(s)
    5.1%
  3. Stand up against the church's opinion

    5 vote(s)
    12.8%
  4. Why feel the need to carry to church?

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  1. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I voted it is up to the church.
    Church is not a public institution; the building and grounds are owned privately by SOMEONE or SOME GROUP. I know; I tried to have ownership of our church put in the name of Jesus Christ, and the court house refused; it HAS to be in the name of some person or persons. In my case, we chose a governing board for the church, and they are all listed as 'owners'.

    Having said that, it behooves us to abide by the wishes of the 'owners' of the property we are entering, be that a store, church, or private residence.

    For my church, we absolutely welcome anyone who choses to cary into the service. As Pop's clearly pointed out, Christ COMMANDED us to be armed, even if we had to sell our CLOTHES to buy a weapon.

    Now - if anyone really DID sell their clothes to buy a weapon, I would insist they borrow SOMETHING to wear to church so the pistol is not the ONLY thing they are wearing - - -
  2. sorral

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    I see it, that when the Muslims get serious, they will attack the non Muslim places of worship. I will be ready to defend myself, country, and faith from the "religion of peace".
  3. hogger129

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    The way I see, gun-free zones are just accidents waiting to happen. I know there are people at church who don't like guns and become frightened by them, so I'd be polite and keep it concealed.
  4. carver

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    My personal pollicy on CCW is; "Don't ask, don't tell! If I don't ask no one can tell me no! If no one says no, and I keep it concealed, then no one knows but me. Here in TX we are supposed to ask in advance if no 3006 signs are posted. I don't ask for permission to do something that I already have the right to do.
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  5. Trouble 45-70

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    I live in a backwater, America circa. 1950s. I have a Concealed carry permit and usually have a revolver in my vehicle. I have never carried concealed.

    In times past, no one ever considered carrying to Church. Recent history in this nation has shown that there are those among us who will attack a Church just because it is a Church. Others will attack to kill a specific persons or persons and a Church is the place they want to make there point.

    Now however we must take into account the realities of the modern world and what is happening in other countries. Consider the fusillades of bullets fired into church congregations in S. Africa, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Malaya and other diverse places. Machete wielding attacks on churches in Africa, Rowanda and Nigeria comes to mind where whole congregations were hacked to death, machine gunned, blown up with grenades and set on fire. These attacks although sometimes more general in nature almost always fall on people seeking final refuge in Churches. They also died because they were unarmed.

    The perpetrators of these atrocities have two things in common they were either Muslims, Communists or some other kind of Socialist or both. We have many of our cities that have large Muslim populations and we know from literature in some of these Mosques that they not only will they not condemn such actions in other countries by fellow Muslims but will give their full support for such activities. How long before we see something like that here? I thought never, but when I see this administration and Eric Holder dissembling on attacks by Muslim terrorists on our Military bases, Airlines and even Times Square for crying out loud, I begin to fear for my country. All in the time since Obama was elected. Sometime soon the Muslim Terrorists are going to get it right and a lot of people are going to die in this country and this administration in the dereliction of its duty to protect this country will do the very least it can do to prevent it form happening. Of course, When it happens it will be Bushes fault.

    Then there is the threat from the Socialists. Many Dems. in the Congress are openly Socialist and vocal about it. This Administration has flooded the White House with Socialists and Communists.

    When I served in the military in the 50s and 60s for part of that time I was prepared to fly to Russia on what at that time was, before the fan-jet engines, a one way flight. The Communists and Socialists were and are our mortal enemy and this administration is full of them. I am sick to death of that mob and hope to see them removed from positions of power. I think they are not above letting these things happen and doing nothing to stop it.

    This thread has caused me to reconsider carrying because of comments by Sorral, I too think at some point the Muslims will hit our churches either as a stand alone attack or as part of demonstrations from some of their trumped up charges. As Danwin points out the Muslims will at some point try to intimidate Churches in or near areas they control. Terry reminds us of the significance of Jesus' admonition to arm ourselves. That must me meant for times such as these.
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  6. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

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    In Georgia, it is Illegal to carry a firearm to any "Public Gathering" and they consider Church services to be a public gathering. My pastor has borrowed and is in possession of one of my 357's so I know he is not anti-gun. When the state gets itself straightened out about individual rights then YES I would carry in church.

    Just look at the news if the past couple of years where people have come into Churches and have killed people. We all have the right to protect ourselves and that right doesn't stop at the Church's property line.
  7. pinecone70

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    I have been carrying for a while now, under the 'don't ask, don't tell' plan. If anyone disagrees with my choice, they may as well be telling me I am not allowed to put my hands up to defend myself if someone tries to strike me. No one can guarantee where I would be safe without my personal firearm, which I am in control of at all times.
  8. Eddie N

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    I believe weare still at war, no matter what other people think. Don't forget, Sept. 11, 2001 started out as an ordinary day for all of us. It ended early for some. And with the political climate, these days, anyone leaving their home to go anywhere is just asking for trouble. Keep it concealed, if you have to, but be prepared. That's myfeeling on the subject.
  9. Big ugly

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    Church does not mean that you free from harm by those who feel the need to inflict harm. It was not all that long ago that we had a church shootin here in Knoxville by some one off the street and not afiliated with the church.
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  10. glocknut

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    Your church just don't like your XD!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

    See how anoying it is.....

    Seriously...tell the pastor you will not be attending his church and that he will no longer be receiving donations from you!
    I sat thru a church sermon one time where the preacher preached about how we have to obey the government mandates without question. I flat out told him as i exited the small church that he was full of ****. The look on his face was priceless.
    I'm trying to be a christian...but an awfull lot of these church preachers just don't have a clue...

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  11. 45nut

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    I feel your pain brother. My opinion is this; until the time they post a LEGAL notice that no CCW is allowed, then you can and should continue to carry concealed.

    My story: I was on my church's security team comprised of mostly like minded individuals that only want to make sure the congregation is safe from fire, storm, heart attack, broken leg or active shooter. Active shooter is last in this list for a reason. It is the least likely scenario to happen. However, attacks on church congregations are increasing at an alarming rate and I think God gave us enough common sense to take care of certain situations, hence the reference to Jesus asking his disciples if they had any swords.

    Well, we had been doing a good job and the Elder's and Pastor decided to vote away the security team's right to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry concealed (for those that are licensed by the State of Texas) and my immediate response was to resign my position. I disarm for no man, period.

    The team leader feels exactly the way I do.

    I told my Pastor, who is a good friend, that not only was this a foolish decision, but if an active shooter ever did show up, it would cause more innocent blood to be spilled. I told him I was willing and able to stand between him and a bad guy, but not without the ability to protect myself, him and possible to kill the bad guy.

    Now, I am no longer on the security team, but I am in the congregation armed, willing and able to eliminate said BG per the team leaders instructions. I guess now I'm on the undercover security team.


    Luke 23 says this: 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

    36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
  12. Trouble 45-70

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    The people of Germany obeyed their Government during WWII. That worked out real well didn't it?
  13. artabr

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    A "Church Carry" bill just passed the Louisiana state house on the second vote, IIRC the vote was 74 -18. The bill still has to go before the state senate.

    A local paper printed a letter from some pin head who opposed the bill. A very good friend of mine responded with a letter of his own.

    This is a thread that I started on that forum. The pin heads letter is linked in the op.

    http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36006

    Incidentally, just today in fact, that same paper printed an editorial that also opposed the bill. :rolleyes:

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/opinion/93828384.html



    Art
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  14. graehaven

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    We recently introduced such a team at our church. However, they too are unarmed - it's an insurance thing. However, there are many police officers who attend, and many armed citizens who attend, and they carry. But, as long as you're serving on the "Watch Team" for that service, you cannot carry. I'm on the church staff, so, I can't be on the team anyway due to being busy every service, but, I always carry. :D
  15. UncleFudd

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    I guess I am a little different. I have never been asked and I do not discuss or ask if I can carry wherever I may be and no one ever sees my firearm.
    I have carried to church for many years, careful where I sit and am very comfortable being there.
    My firearm is not to protect others in the congregation and never has been, it is for MY protection and my wife. Don't threaten us and we will not bother you.

    Why would anyone ask or even let someone in the congregation know that you carry when you have no idea who the threat will eventually be?

    No one sees, no one asks and I do not tell, period in spite of owning the range and teaching concealed carry etc. every day.

    People might wonder or even guess, but they do not know and it is none of their business.

    However, now you have opened Pandoras box and you now have decisions to make and you can bet others in your church know all about your predicament. You have made yourself a pariah.

    UF
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