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class3 and Manufacturing

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms & Related Items' started by Zigzag2, Feb 25, 2003.

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    bazzookajoe
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    (1/20/03 12:00:41 pm)
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    I'm reading the Machine Gun Dealers Bible, by Dan Shea.
    It sess that a class3 dealer may Manufacture short-Barreled Rifles and shotguns, Silencers, Any other Weapons, and Destructive Devices as an individual using a tax paid form 1.
    I have send for the form 7 . I'm going toe apply for .01FLL then eventually for SOT 3. Is this information correct. There is nothing on the ATF web sit to verify this.

    AntiqueDr
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    (1/21/03 5:36:22 pm)
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    That is not entirely correct. We need to differentiate that the SOT is a Special Operation Tax - not a license. GCA68 requires that an individual obtain the appropriate LICENSE to conduct a specific type of firearms business. A Type 01 FFL (dealer in firearms other than destructive devices) with or without the Class 03 SOT could only manufacture a firearm (either Title I or Title II) for personal use. It could not be manufactured for sale or transfer. Thus, a Type 01 FFL is identical to an unlicensed person when it comes to the manufacture of firearms. Should an unlicensed person OR a Type 01 FFL desire to manufacture a Title II firearm (shortbarrelled shotgun or rifle, or AOW), preapproval and registration on Form 1 is required. So, the Type 01 FFL is absolutely meaningless when it comes to manufacture.

    In order to manufacture Title II firearms for sale or transfer, the person must have a Type 07 FFL (manufacturer of firearms other than destructive devices) and pay the appropriate Class 02 SOT ($1000/yr, with 1/2 price for low-volume manufacturers). No prenotification or approval is necessary, but the appropriate registration information must be sent to ATF within 24 hours of manufacture.

    Of course, regardless of type of FFL/SOT, machine guns may not be manufactured unless specifically manufactured for sale to some government entity.

    Now - you can rest assured that when ATF receives an application for manufacture of any Title II firearm from anyone other than an appropriately licensed Class 02 Manufacturer (07 FFL/02 SOT), they are going to take a good long look at that applicant. If they start receiving MORE applications, expect a visit. You certainly do not want to put out the impression that you are manufacturing firearms (especially Title II firearms) without the appropriate licenses in place!


    Clear as mud, no?


    bazzookajoe
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    (1/22/03 8:17:14 am)
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    I brought that up because I'm shopping for a supersor foe an AR-15. The best deal I found was Gemtech's M02. This supersor cost about $500.+ 200 transfer =$700. I have the ability to make one comprabil. valuing me freedom, I have no intention of breaking any laws. May I pay $200 fill out a form 1 and manufarcture a legal suppersor ?

    LIKTOSHOOT
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    (1/22/03 7:23:03 pm)
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    NO!



    AntiqueDr
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    (1/23/03 2:00:42 pm)
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    Well, actually, suppressors = firearms for the purposes of the National Firearms Act. You would have to obtain/complete Form 1, attach the required photos, fingerprints, Law Enforcement Chief Officer certification, and $200, send all that to the NFA branch of ATF. Wait. Continue waiting. Get tired of waiting and start calling.

    Then you would most likely receive your Form 1 back in the mail with your $200 check.




    Zigzag2
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    (1/24/03 2:23:18 pm)
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    ummmmmmmm... does that mean Liktoshout is correct

    AntiqueDr
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    (1/24/03 9:44:43 pm)
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    Technically, an individual could apply to manufacture a suppressor. All typical NFA rules would apply just as if he were buying the suppressor from a dealer. There would be a $200 'making' tax. PLUS, all serialization and identification requirements would have to be met and approved by the ATF.

    Don't like the chances.

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