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Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by merc, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. merc

    merc New Member

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    Jun 30, 2003
    Pelham, NH
    Does anyone collect ammo?
    I just got some wicked old .30-06 ammo
    The top of the boxes say .30 SPRINGFIELD (1906) Smokeless
    The side of the box says for Springfield Model 1903 and Winchester Model 1895 Rifle
    They are Remikngton Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge Co. 190 grains
    Headstamp is Rem-UMC 1906 and the primer seems to be copper with a U on it.
    Also how stable is the powder of an old bullet?
    I am thinkong that it looses it's potency and will not blow up just sitting there. I don't want to shoot them because I think there is a collector value here and I think that shooting them would have duds because the powder is too old and this would cause problems (like squibs. and stuck bullets in the barrel and stuff)
    Any thoughts??
    thanks
     
  2. butch lambert

    butch lambert New Member

    16
    Oct 18, 2003
    Poetry, Tex
    It would go well with my Model 95 in 30US. Thebarrelman
     

  3. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    You are basically correct in your thinking, merc. Those almost certainly collectables, and, no, the powder does not get unstable just sitting around in a cartridge.

    I most definitely would not shoot them. One potential would be if the powder in the cartridges has been pulverized by being shaken in the cartridge over the years. The resulting smaller grains increases the rate of burn and, therefore, the chamber pressure.

    Pops
     
  4. merc

    merc New Member

    309
    Jun 30, 2003
    Pelham, NH
    Thanks Pops
    I just learned something.
    I would not have thought I would get "higher pressures"
    I was thinking the opposite to happen--no pressure.
    But that makes more sense-I can now see how the powder would break down and thus burn faster.
    This topic should come up a little more often.
    Thanks again
     
  5. inplanotx

    inplanotx Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Texas
    I agree about not shooting them. However, you have to remember that the primers are corrosive. I also believe that both the primer and bullet are sealed with a sealant to be waterproof.
     
  6. Admin

    Admin Active Member Staff Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    They are definately collectable, I've sold and still do
    (on occasion) collectable ammo.

    Do a search at http://www.gunbroker.com and you
    should be able to see what the ammo (or similar)
    you have is selling for, or go to their catagory section
    and click on the collectable ammo link.

    Tac
     
  7. merc

    merc New Member

    309
    Jun 30, 2003
    Pelham, NH
    Yikes!!!!!
    I just went lookin' around for similiar ammo and have seen some for as much as 75.00 a box
    Man this stuff is expensive.

    Thanks for the direction .
     
  8. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast New Member

    66
    May 13, 2004
    NH, USA
    Merc, I collect / deal in obsolete & exotic ammo. Without pictures, it would be hard for me to appraise this material, but I would caution you about relying on the asking prices on GB. For collectible ammo, the site to reference is Auction Arms. Many of the sellers on GB are completely clueless and ask blue sky prices for pedestrian items. From your description, I would concur it is a collectible item, but likely more on the order of $30 - $40 if in real good condition. This sort of box is relatively common while the market is thin & quirky. Just for example, I recently sold a box of 1914 Winchester Palma Match in VG condition at auction for $75. This was on the low side, but it is far less common than what you have. To bring good bucks, collectible boxes have to be in real good condition, be scarce and have cachet. Without pix I cannot be sure, but my guess yours would only satisfy the first condition.
     
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