Colt 45

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  1. wng-2

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    My Dad gave me this Colt .45 I’d like to know the age and value of this weapon. Thanks very much.



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  2. Alpo

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    That appears to be a Colt New Service in 45 ACP. If that's the serial number, it was made in 1920. But I thought, on the old Colts, the number was stamped on the front of the grip frame.
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    Check the bottom of the grip. That is most likely a Model 1917. I don't know where or how Wilson got mixed up on the Model 1917 but Colt New Service serial numbers ran from about 149,000 to about 305,000. That one is 279xxx and mine is 236xxx, both of which Wilson puts after the war.

    The Model 1917 has two numbers. Inside the crane is the Colt serial number in the New Service series. On the butt is the Army serial number which started with 1 under the contract and ran to about 154xxx. Some folks who brought those guns home after the war, thus violating the law (Harry Truman was one), removed the US and Army serial number, leaving the Colt number.

    The finish appears good and original. If the butt marking is present and intact, I would make a WAG on value at about $900-1000.

    Jim
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    Thanks!
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    So This weapon will fire .45 ACP vs. .45 Colt?


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    Thanks!
  6. Alpo

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    Absolutely. It uses 45 ACP using either full moon, half moon or third moon clips.

    Made in November 1918, according to the military number.

    You can also use 45 Auto Rim, which is basically a 45 ACP case made with a rim on it. But 45 Colt is too long for the cylinder, and even if it would fit, the headspace would be too big. It would not fire.
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    I made an error in what I said above when I wrote that "Colt New Service serial numbers ran from about 149,000 to about 305,000".

    That is for the Model 1917 only. The Colt New Service was made into 1940 in a couple of variations, and the last serial number was probably 356524.

    Jim
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    Some history on those guns. In WWI, the U.S. Army issued a far larger number of pistols in proportion to the number of troops than they do today, and there were not enough of the Model 1911 automatic pistol to go around. So the Army contracted to Colt and Smith & Wesson to produce revolvers which could fire the same ammunition as the Model 1911. This was accomplished by S&W designing a three-round clip, which allowed the rimless pistol cartridge to be fired in and extracted from revolvers.

    The two pistols are very similar in general appearance (though not in detail) and purpose, so the Army called both the Colt and the S&W guns the Revolver, Model 1917.

    You have the Colt version.

    Jim
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    how much would the smith version be worth?
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    The Smith is worth about the same. Condition is the deciding value factor, not the manufacturer.
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    My friend has a Smith & Wesson, Army serial # 106473, he'd like to know when that one was manufactured. Thanks!
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    Smith 1917 revolver, Military model, serial 106473, was made in 1918.
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    Thanks very much!
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